E98 find

Probstein123 · July 10, 2012 5:58AM

E98 article

so why did they grade them all at the same time ? why not space them out ?

Griffins · July 10, 2012 6:03AM

why space them out? I'm sure Heritage was only interested in getting them slabbed and promoting the auction asap. If the grades were off what they expected I have no doubt they would've gone right back in for review.

Boopotts · July 10, 2012 6:06AM

<< E98 article

so why did they grade them all at the same time ? why not space them out ? >>

I wondered this same thing. To my eye there's no sense in getting these pedigreed, or even in advertising the find. If i'm ever fortunate enough to back my way into a dozen PSA 9-worth Ty Cobb cards you can be sure I'm going to do everything I can to keep that bit of information on the down low.

One other interesting point that occurred to me when I read about this was the assertion that this find, and it's estimated $2M in market value, is likely going to go down as the biggest sportscard find of all time. This may be true, but does it seem all that fetched to think that somewhere out there in the wastelands lies a box containing, say, 8000 cards from the early '50's, in which is included a bunch of minty '52 highs, Aaron RC's, etc. etc.? Or a stack of mint '61 Topps Dice? Two million is a lot of scratch, but personally I wouldn't feel comfortable arguing that the biggest find for now and all time has been made unless the find cracked eight digits.

Anyway, just a thought. In any case it's a sublime stash of cards that this family stumbled into.

itzagoner · July 10, 2012 6:18AM

i expect to read about a spike in renovations by 3rd and 4th generation homeowners throughout the region in the very near future.

pmcollectour · July 10, 2012 6:24AM

16 Ty Cobb's graded PSA 9.

Wonder how the guy who's holding the only PSA 7 (which was up till now the highest grade) feels ?

I'm glad they did it all at once. Let's the collecting community know exactly what's going on. Most of us who collect (and don't just flip to make money) appreciate that.

handyman · July 10, 2012 6:26AM

The 7 sold for 28,000.00 as well. Id guess its about 4-5,000.00 today

flatfoot816 · July 10, 2012 6:45AM

strictly from a legal standpoint (damned lawyers)...

as an estate sale it would not be possible to hold anything back and space out the sales unless all heirs agreed--highly unlikely in any scenerio I assure you. There are too many heirs looking for their cash.

So in this case at least, that was not an option--not with 20 people with kitchen renovations on their mind anyway

Probstein123 · July 10, 2012 6:51AM

I heard they are spacing out the auctions of the next 3 years....

CollectorAtWork · July 10, 2012 9:15AM

From what I read on the net54 board, Heritage graded all of the cards at once in order to be fair to those who bought the first cards from the find. Link Also, I believe the owners of the cards who found them are already pretty wealthy as the family owns a chain of grocery stores. Link

addicted2ebay · July 10, 2012 9:54AM

If only they listed a few on ebay.....if only

I love to see stories like this but at the same time feel for the high e98 pop owners before the find.

Would like to see some pic's of the attic and the owners also.

ldferg · July 10, 2012 10:02AM

I'm sorry to be the skeptic on this. I'm very glad this "find" happened (wish it was in my attic

), but could cards this old really be in this type of condition? The white is so bright and the color so vivid. Centering is almost too good (with the exception of the Cobb and the Mathewson).

handyman · July 10, 2012 10:19AM

It happend with the Cracker jack find. You would think you would never find a card without the stains. But they found Gem Mint copies never placed in the cracker jack packages.

Toro · July 10, 2012 10:52AM

Wasn't here a big prewar find in New York a few years ago? This IS a big find but with so many high grade cards, a limited collecting market, prices will drop. I'd love to own a few though! I do find it amazing and almost unreal they are still so crisp.

pdub1819 · July 10, 2012 11:23AM

I would have loved to find something like that in my attic. I know that when I moved into my house (that was built in 1955), I checked the small attic for anything...especially cards.

Toro · July 10, 2012 12:04PM

Read the comments

Here is the same story on ESPN.com, what makes it great are the comments from the viewers!

jeffcbay · July 10, 2012 9:28PM

CNN Interview

alnavman · July 10, 2012 9:37PM

there was an article in the Cleveland Plain Dealer this morning about this find......probably can fetch it at Cleveland.com......if I can figure out the way to do it I"ll post a link later....althought it appears this is old news to most....al.

softparade · July 10, 2012 9:45PM

<< I'm sorry to be the skeptic on this. I'm very glad this "find" happened (wish it was in my attic

), but could cards this old really be in this type of condition? The white is so bright and the color so vivid. Centering is almost too good (with the exception of the Cobb and the Mathewson). >>

I read somewhere that many of the 700 plus were quite OC.

Downtown1974 · July 10, 2012 9:48PM

I think we have all learned a valuable lesson. When it comes to storing your cards...forget top loaders, penny sleeves, Card Savers etc. All you need is twine, cardboard and soot.

stown · July 10, 2012 10:31PM

<< I think we have all learned a valuable lesson. When it comes to storing your cards...forget top loaders, penny sleeves, Card Savers etc. All you need is twine, cardboard and soot. >>

DING! DING! DING!

galaxy27 · July 10, 2012 10:50PM

<< Read the comments

Here is the same story on ESPN.com, what makes it great are the comments from the viewers! >>

Comic relief, without question...

jmmiller777 · July 10, 2012 11:45PM

These babies are real beauries, PSA 7-10's. Thant's incredible.

msohn · July 11, 2012 12:16AM

Makes you wonder: what is the long term impact of this find:

(1) Does the new high grade supply overwhelm the market and depress E98 demand and prices, or

(2) Does the new high grade supply make this a collectible set and the E98 Ty Cobb (all 16 PSA 9s!) emerge as a de facto Ty Cobb rookie card, due to its "availability" and very fine condition?

If you are a Ty Cobb collector, this card has become a must-own, in my opinion.

BugOnTheRug · July 11, 2012 3:32AM

<< I'm sorry to be the skeptic on this. I'm very glad this "find" happened (wish it was in my attic

), but could cards this old really be in this type of condition? The white is so bright and the color so vivid. Centering is almost too good (with the exception of the Cobb and the Mathewson). >>

Agreed. I don't know a thing about E-98's, but I've seen white-bordered toning on much, much newer material that happened to be carefully 'stacked', just like this find was. Even with minimal air circulation around the borders because of the stacking, how could the white (especially near the edges) be so bright without any signs of toning, also considering temp and moisture extremes of being in a ventilated attic? I'd love to see the toning (or lack thereof) of the edges. With all the 'specialty' knowledge out there in the hobby that goes far beyond just putting lipstick on a pig, this seems just a bit fishy to me.

Hopefully some E-98 or related specialists chime in on the toning issue.

jeffcbay · July 11, 2012 3:45AM

<< Makes you wonder: what is the long term impact of this find >>

Not sure about the long term, but in the short term it seemed to have sparked a bit of interest from the non-collectors. I've had more friends approach me about cards in the past 24 hours, than I've had in the past several years, all because of this story. Unfortunately it hasn't yielded any new collections, but it's good that all of my friends know who to go to in case something is uncovered.

hammered · July 11, 2012 4:30AM

The only thing I've found in any of my homes was a hidden stash of porn mags under the workbench in the garage.

itzagoner · July 11, 2012 4:50AM

hmmm. there must have much "work" accomplished on the bench.

hope you wore gloves.

CollectorAtWork · July 11, 2012 5:12AM

These would be pretty hard to counterfeit due to the lithography style of printing used back then, which is no longer used now. Obviously PSA has authenticated all of the cards, so I don't think there's any question that they are good.

soundgard · July 11, 2012 5:53AM

<< 

<< I'm sorry to be the skeptic on this. I'm very glad this "find" happened (wish it was in my attic

), but could cards this old really be in this type of condition? The white is so bright and the color so vivid. Centering is almost too good (with the exception of the Cobb and the Mathewson). >>

Agreed. I don't know a thing about E-98's, but I've seen white-bordered toning on much, much newer material that happened to be carefully 'stacked', just like this find was. Even with minimal air circulation around the borders because of the stacking, how could the white (especially near the edges) be so bright without any signs of toning, also considering temp and moisture extremes of being in a ventilated attic? I'd love to see the toning (or lack thereof) of the edges. With all the 'specialty' knowledge out there in the hobby that goes far beyond just putting lipstick on a pig, this seems just a bit fishy to me.

>>

Agreed.

msassin · July 11, 2012 11:44AM

Pop Report

Almost exactly 21 of each card was in this collection.

Cards that the pop didn't really change....
Mathewson (1)
Walsh (none)
Jennings (1)
Tinker (1)
Lajoie (none)

VikingDude · July 11, 2012 11:57AM

I like this quote from the article:
"These cards need to be with those people who appreciate and enjoy them"

Umm, shouldn't you add "and can afford them"?

StarPaxMan · July 12, 2012 9:29AM

Clearly a case for Eliot Ness! lol

Piggs · July 12, 2012 11:07AM

Couldn't be happier for the family, that's a dream come true right there. Hope they get well past the estimated value.

californiacards3 · July 12, 2012 12:13PM

I think the analysis is more interesting

See below

Grade Number of Cards
1.5 1
2 1
2.5 5
4.5 1
5 31
6Q 1
6 19
6.5 2
7 244
7.5 1
8 279
8.5 36
9Q 18
9 74
10 4
TOTAL 717

Card No. Name Auth 1Q 1 1.5Q 1.5 2Q 2 2.5 3Q 3 3.5 4Q 4 4.5 5Q 5 5.5 6Q 6 6.5 7Q 7 7.5 8Q 8 8.5 9Q 9 10 Total
N/A Al Bridwell 21 21
N/A Al Bridwell 20 1 21
N/A Bill Dahlen 2 4 6 3 6 21
N/A Chief Bender 16 2 3 21
N/A Chief Meyers 3 2 14 2 21
N/A Christy Mathewson 1 1
N/A Connie Mack 1 15 3 2 21
N/A Cy Young (Irv Young) 13 8 21
N/A Cy Young (Irv Young) 13 4 3 1 21
N/A Eddie Collins 3 17 1 21
N/A Frank Chance 21 21
N/A Fred Clarke 12 3 6 21
N/A Fred Tenny 3 4 14 21
N/A Fred Tenny 13 5 3 21
N/A George Mullin 3 12 6 21
N/A George Mullin 20 1 21
N/A Hal Chase 20 1 21
N/A Hans Wagner 1 1 1 5 10 2 1 21
N/A Hans Wagner 2 8 3 3 5 21
N/A Harry Davis 1 9 10 1 21
N/A Harry Davis 16 4 1 21
N/A Hippo Vaughn 1 19 1 21
N/A Hughey Jennings 1 1
N/A Jack Coombs 1 20 21
N/A Joe Tinker 1 1
N/A John Mcgraw 1 6 4 10 21
N/A John Mcgraw 3 18 21
N/A Johnny Evers 20 1 21
N/A Johnny Kling 1 1 18 1 21
N/A Larry Mclean 8 1 5 4 3 21
N/A Larry Mclean 3 7 11 21
N/A Miner Brown 20 1 21
N/A Miner Brown 2 1 18 21
N/A Red Dooin 21 21
N/A Roger Bresnahan 2 1 16 2 21
N/A Russ Ford 17 3 1 21
N/A Ty Cobb 2 3 16 21
TOTALS 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 5 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 31 0 1 19 2 0 244 1 0 279 36 18 74 4 717

Thought you guys might like to see this

Regards

Barry

E98 find

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