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ATTENTION: EVERYONE THAT COLLECTS PLEASE READ THIS (CONCERNS TRADERS)

I'm tired of reading this BS about me (or another trader) just because people don't like them. I can understand if someone gets bad feedback because they rip people off, but I have NEVER ripped ANYONE off.

I have like 27 references on CU alone (and adding more), but it seems as if Brees9 (a rip-off artist) gets more respect than me (which is rediculous).

I'd like EVERY one of my references to please reply with your satisfaction/dissatisfaction of the deal. If someone is not satisfied, I make it right. Just because I had to enforce my rule doesn't make me a bad trader.

I'm sure that most/all of my references would have no problem dealing with me again (see the few I've traded with multiple times).

THE MAIN THIS (READ BELOW):

If you do NOT like my rule, then you do NOT have to trade with me. I will have absolutely NO problem with someone not agreeing to my terms. If it makes people on here happy, I'd be cautious about trading with someone with a rule like that until I'm satisfied that they are a good trader (which 27 should be enough)

PLEASE do NOT waste everyone's time with trying to ruin someone's reputation that is currently flawless on here, and do NOT waste people's time by posting things about a trader (unless you are thanking someone for a good trade or publicly announcing a bad trader).



The things that bother me most on here are the following:

someone new on here wants to make big trades (possible bad trader under another name?)
people (like certain people that like trying to ruin others' reputations) messaging someone and saying "your a f___ing idiot" or "you are such a dumb-A$$"
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  • DerrickDerrick Posts: 4,287 ✭✭
    I agree. Co1lector is a respected trader by me. Yeah, he has a rule that he wants you to send first, but can you blame him? I can relate. After all the BS that goes on in these forums with the lame posts, and foolish "never sent anything", and all the times he has been ripped off, you would want all trades to be sent first to you to be sure. I have made plenty enough trades with him to know that he's a good trader, and wouldn't hesitate to send to him first anytime, as well as Crum, who seems to never show up as much as he used to on the boards, because of all the BS that goes on here each day. So, either like his rule or not, but if you don't, then don't raise hell about it, because it's not worth it.

  • I sent 1st in my trade with co1lector & the deal went great. I usually send 1st anyway unless it is a new member who wants to trade. I would have no trouble trading with co1lector again.
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  • collector, do you ask that everyone send first, or just those tarders without satisfactory references? If you were to ask me to send first, I would be insulted, and probably call off the deal. But I woudn't go slamming you on the forums either, it's your perogative.
  • We have a rule of our own as well;we always send "at the same time"except for new members or those with bad trades in thier past..We find it insulting for a new member to come on here demanding that all people on here send 1st.We don't respect anyone who makes a demand like that.
    We are long time members of this forum with many many great trades & NEVER a trade that has gone bad.That is why we will never trade with you or anyone else that has the audacity to make such an
    insulting demand such as this.And we will NEVER respect you for having such a so called "rule" either.
    It sounds like even after you have traded with him he still makes you send 1st;if so,that is even more insulting!
    We have never ripped anyone off & for any trader to just lump all of us in the same sewer as those who might have ripped him off in the past is nothing short of demeaning.
    So,go ahead & keep "stinking thinking" that way;you'll only reap what you sow & in this case we can only assume it'll be a very baren harvest! Just our 2 cents;seeing how you brought the subject up.
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  • Okay, but if you say you've had 27 trades on here and that should be good enough, stating that your "you send first" rule, what about the people here are have like 40 ref.'s, you should respect them enough to send at the same time, that way both would be respected, rather than you going off saying you have 27 ref.'s send first, they man have 35,40, maybe even 80, and you still want them to send first?

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  • << <i>collector, do you ask that everyone send first, or just those tarders without satisfactory references? If you were to ask me to send first, I would be insulted, and probably call off the deal. But I woudn't go slamming you on the forums either, it's your perogative. >>



    Co1lector never asks anyone to send first.He Demands it..He's done it to everyone Mcdee,Haliguy everybody...He does it because he says "Getting cards that are not Mint is being ripped off"..Thats what alot of the alleged ripoofs he claimed happened to him were.He did'nt like the condition of the cards..Last year he was wanting me to send him an unopened box of 98'99 Topps chrome basketball..He then would open the box and inspect to see if the cards were to his liking before he would send anything to me...I thought yeah right..Never talked trade with him again after that..

    He is a good trader,never made a bad deal that I know of..But his demands make you not want to deal with him..
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  • Exactly, I ended up opening that box myself and pulled a Vince Carter Chrome RC, The centering on it was really bad like 75/25...So under Co1lectors rules he would have returned the (opened) box back to me...

    Or who's to say had I sent the box, Maybe it would have comtained a gem mint Carter RC,Say co1lector had the same card but it was in worse shape..What would prevent him from keeping the gem RC and putting his less than mint in the box and returning with the "Cards are'nt to my liking" excuse...

    Now co1lector's going to get on here and deny and make excuses but this is how he operates..You dont have to believe me ask haliguy ,ilya ,Mcdee they;ll all tell you the same thing..

    my favorite Co1lector incident was when someone was offering free RC's for a SASE...Co1lector replied to the post he wanted them all..Then re-replied asking if there were high end RC's such as chrome etc...Wanted to make sure he would get his 34 cents worth...I asked him then would'nt sending a sase for cards go against his strict no send first policy??
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  • uw, I ask everyone to send 1st. I understand if someone doesn't want to trade with me because of my rule.

    bob, so since my trade the 1st time with Brees9 went good, then I should have sent to him same time or 1st on our next trade, huh? If I would have done that with out 2nd trade, I would have lost a couple hundred dollars worth of cards (he's a rip-off, yet my 1st trade went ok with him). Also, I will NEVER respect you either because you think that you are better than everyone else. As far as a "new member" asking people to send 1st, I'm not a new member. I've only been on here 4 months fewer than you.

    vince, yes. I even asked Crum to send 1st (which I'm sure has over 100 references on here). Plus, 2 people that ripped me off (not on here) had over 50 and 75 references, yet they still ripped me off. I've never seen anything bad about you and you are a great trader from what I here, but I'd still have to ask you to send 1st (but I DO respect you) image

    AI3, I have NEVER said "Getting cards that are not Mint is being ripped off". "Last year he was wanting me to send him an unopened box of 98'99 Topps chrome basketball..He then would open the box and inspect to see if the cards were to his liking before he would send anything to me...I thought yeah right..Never talked trade with him again after that.." That is a bunch of BS and you know it. Maybe it was another "collector", but it was not me. I may have said I don't want a box with a corner bashed in, but I'd never go that low.

    As far as the SASE thing, I asked if any of them were '00-01 Topps Chrome RCs, because I was thinking about putting the RC set together (check my site if you don't believe me).

    You guys CAN ask Mcdee, haliguy, etc. if I asked them to trade me a box (or whatever). The only reason why we didn't trade is because they didn't like my rule (which was fine).

    Also, the condition of the cards have to be BAD for me to return them. I traded for a Stockton RC, but sent it back because centering was 10/90 t/b and 30/70 l/r. You are telling me you wouldn't do the same? Technically, it wouldn't be mint with that kind of centering.

    AI3, do NOT go around trying to ruin my reputation on here by making up stuff like the box thing. I DID say I'd trade for it, but wouldn't want it if one of the corners was bashed in. I NEVER said I'd open the packs, then decide if I wanted to send them back.
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  • Sorry dude,but it's YOU that thinks they are better than everyone else on here.We don't know of any other trader on here who demands what you do.We treat all of the good traders on here with the respect they deserve;we ask them to send at the same time.
    You got some growing uo to do there buddy.The main reason this forum works is because of TRUST!
    What you are saying with your so called "rule" is that you don't trust any of us!! Doen't seem you'll win too many traders with an attitude like that.
    But hey;go ahead & live in your little bubble.If that's what does it for you,so be it.
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  • collector, it's easy to forget that being a good trader isn't just sending, but it is true. You need to learn to respect your fellow members. If someone asked me to send first, that's an insult, because if I still have to send first, then why am I listing all these references at the bottom of my sig? What's the point of any of us having references if no one's ever going to trust anybody?
  • this bashing is getting way out of hand. if you don't want to send first or trade with someone just say no thanks & move on. I don't mind sending 1st if someone has something I want/need. I can understand your points about respecting the veterans on this board but like I said you should just respectfully decline the offer & leave it at that. just my opinion, not meant to offend anyone
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  • DerrickDerrick Posts: 4,287 ✭✭
    I agree. There shouldn't be any sort of bashing on someone just because they have a certain way that they want to "deal". If you don't like it, then leave. Plain and simple. I don't mind sending first to someone (even though I'm a respected trader), as long as it's something I want, and if I want it bad enough, I'll send first (if they want me to)...If you don't like the way someone operates, then don't bash them and move on without worrys...it'll save a lot of time and a lot of negative input.
  • I did a trade with co1lector knowing that I would have to send first. I have only done a few trades on this site so I was ok with that.

    Two of the cards that I sent were dinged up (98 Spx Finite football is very condition sensitive & they were in poor shape from the moment I pulled them from the box) so he sent them back & subtracted 1 card from the original agreement. I was ok with that. In the end, it was an even trade & returning the chipped cards was understandable.

    If you want to trade with co1lector, you can either send first or don't do the trade with him. No one is putting a gun to your head so why is it a sign of disrespect?
    Scott

    I have had good trades with taylor28jag, quasar31, danmarinocollector, woodson24kg, racin52, dscallon, gbfan, mosscarter8488, THiTo, Co1lector, Bud, & a few others.
  • Thanks guys. I appreciate the back-up, but slice, I DO understand what they are talking about about "respect".

    I do respect good traders (for the most part). The only time I don't respect someone is if they rip someone off (Brees9), lies, or doesn't respect another good trader (Bobstar).

    To show that I DO have respect for good traders, if someone were to ask me individually if someone like vincesanity was a good trader, I'd tell them that I don't personally know (because I've never dealt with him), but I have seen many people making posts about how happy they were with the trades (and not seeing even 1 post trying to ruin his reputation or about not completing a trade he agreed to).

    As slice said, he knew that I would ask him to send 1st, but he was still willing to trade with me. Also, I notified him that a couple cards were in bad shape (even though they are sensative), so we agreed to an alternate trade and I sent the 2 damaged cards back.

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  • For the record, I have never posted anywhere anything regarding collectors trading rules (much less bashing them) until I saw this thread posted here. If people are implying by my posts here that I have then they are very wrong. While I find collectors rule disgusting and offensive as a good trade who knows what condition ym cards are in, I have NEVER EVER posted anywehre but on this thread about them.
  • that being said collector, in my opinion it is YOUR responsibility to ask thorough questions to a potential trader about a cards condition. When I tarde, I ask questions like how do the corners look and is there anywhite showing on the edges. Because I want to trade, I make it my personal responsibility to know what I'm getting. It is not the other persons responsibility (especially someone with many references) to send first to fit your whims and desires. Like I said before, I would feel like a real jackass asking someone like mcdee2 to send first; whether or not you think it's insulting, it is.
  • That's why, even if him, Vincesanity, SkiVermont3, etc. had anything I want, I won't reply because I know that they don't want to trade with me because of my rule.

    I understand why MANY collectors on here don't want to trade with me:

    1) they don't like me (shouldn't affect trading with me)
    2) don't like being forced to send 1st
    3) feel they are disrespected because they may have more references, but I still ask them to send 1st

    My main reasons why I ask everyone to send 1st:

    1) Been ripped off so many times, can't afford to even take the chance (in case a rare instance happens like Brees9)
    2) Some may think it is discrimination if I MUST accept 1st from some, then I send same time or 1st to others.
    3) In the habit of knowing, if I receive something from someone, I owe them something back

    My rule is NOT MEANT to be offensive (even though it may be). As I have said MANY times (too many to count), if you don't like my rule, just tell me that you don't like it or you are afraid I won't complete the deal (which won't happen), I WILL understand.

    My MAIN point about this post is that people that I haven't even dealt with before are trying to ruin my reputation. They have NO business doing this just because they don't like me. For example, when I 1st came here, I had like 3 trades done, yet I had about 10 ratings on my profile (which is impossible unless people that just don't like me rate me).
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  • i hate involving myself in a post like this one but i will say a few things quick and then leave

    Collector-
    this post was unnessarary and ridiculous you should stop this post immediately -- it was not needed. What purpose does this post serve besides more fighting.

    Yeah yeah you can do whatever you please but I just like uwtfke would be insulted if asked to send first. Uwtfke and I have both showed that we are both good traders.. Collector I think it is very obnoxious that you even posted this post.

    I would edit it all to say nothing. That would be the right thing to do. Yes, -- not every member of this board is a great trader but for you to ask for people who have just as many references as you, or even more then you to send first is insulting. I will leave it at that

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  • Just to set the record straight here;us not respecting you has nothing to do with you being a good trader or not.We don't know if you are a good trader or not as we would never stoop to your insulting "rule" to even trade with you.
    We just feel & by the way you brought this subject matter up in the 1st place;that you are disrespecting ANY member of this forum who has demonstrated thier trust to complete a trade by sending at the same time.
    There are plenty of great traders on this forum who have been ripped off in the past but they still TRUST the other good traders on this forum as it should be & still send at the same time.
    By your so called "rule",if everyone on this forum who has been ripped off in the past were to initiate the same "rule" NOBODY would ever make any trades.That point right there shows the foolishness of your so caleed"rule"
    But,like we said before;if that's what does it for you;go for it.Later!
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  • Josher, I actually agree that it is rediculous that I have to enforce this rule (especially for good traders), so I know that I'm going to miss out on a lot of trades.

    I am getting out of the hobby, so I'm trying to avoid doing trades if possible (so hopefully it won't matter too much longer). I will NOT, however, edit this post because people need to understand that it's a waste of time to make stupid posts about good traders (which includes me). At least if I were a bad trader, I'd understand more.

    Bob, I doubt very much that anyone has been ripped off as many times in one time period as I was (8/11). I'm sure, if someone were to be ripped off that many times in one period (and they couldn't afford for it to continue), they would HAVE to enforce the rule also. Read the reply by Derrick. He agrees with me and he understands why I have to enforce it. Maybe if I didn't have to use all my money to pay for college, it would be a different story. Btw, that is one of the reasons why I'm getting out of the hobby.

    I guess, if I DO do any trades, it will be with new members or people I've already traded with.

    My main reason for the post was because I'm tired of people trying to ruin my reputation when they have nothing to do with it. Ruining someone's reputation by making up stuff and not liking someone's trading rules are 2 COMPLETELY different things.
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  • co1lector is a very good trader in my eyes. I have made many trades with him and all have gone well.

    there is alot of traders in here that I will never trade with due to how they conduct themselfs or they are just bad traders. I guess there must be good traders with bad or life would be too easy I guess ( LOL )

    AGAIN CO1LECTOR IS A GOOD TRADER AND I WILL ALWAYS TRADE WITH HIM

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  • come on people this isnt worth fighting about. i dont agree with the send 1st rule and co1lector and i havent traded cause of that but i have nothing against him. i`ve never heard anyone call him a bad trader so i dont see what the fuss is about.
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  • 8kobe8kobe Posts: 1,159
    I don't agree with the send first rule either but that doesn' t make him a bad trader.
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  • SoDoMoJoSoDoMoJo Posts: 1,558 ✭✭
    I traded with Co1lector and it went really smooth i didn't mind sending 1st because i need the refs. so in my mind he's a great trader.....
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  • I just want to make it very clear here that my disagreements with collector on his policy should not be taken to mean that I think he's a bad tarder or somehow untrustworthy, in fact from what I've heard quite the opposite is true.
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