1968 Topps NL Batting Leaders Roberto Clemente PSA 10 Pop 1....

Dpeck100 · July 6, 2012 11:42PM

Wow I just came across this card. With so many Clemente collectors this has got to be on some board members radar.

I just checked the pop report and there have been 1,053 examples of this card graded. Of the 598 card set there are only 19 cards that have been graded more times. There are only two cards from that 19 that have been harder to obtain in a PSA 10 and they are the Nolan Ryan and the Tom Seaver with none achieving that grade.

The other Clemente cards in the set are super tough in high grade as well with his All Star card receiving no grades in a PSA 10 out of 708 examples and his base card only 2 out of 1,840.

It looks to me as if the 1968 Topps Set Registry is quite active with 16 complete sets in the top 20 and 6 of those with a GPA in mint grade.

This could be explosive!

The current watch count is 34 and destined to increase into the final bell.

Good luck if anyone is going after this Gem!

1968 Topps Clemente

corvette1340 · July 7, 2012 12:28AM

ugly looking 10, imo.

bxb · July 7, 2012 12:40AM

<< ugly looking 10, imo. >>

That SE tilt would drive me crazy and is all I would see on a high $$$ card like this.

But a nice card for someone who collects plastic and doesn't mind the flaws.

RookieWax · July 7, 2012 1:13AM

As is the case with many POP 1 PSA 10 cards that are typically impossible to find without flaws, somebody got lucky on the day this card was graded. I felt the same way about the recent POP 1 1981 Topps Kirk Gibson. That Gibson card looks like many 8s out there and it was pure luck that one grader on one day messed up and gave out the 10.

RookieWax · July 7, 2012 1:58AM

Not only does that PSA 10 Clemente have a tilt, it is not even close to being 50-50 centered left to right. It should not be in a 10 holder...period.

MeteoriteGuy · July 7, 2012 2:05AM

<< Not only does that PSA 10 Clemente have a tilt, it is not even close to being 50-50 centered left to right. It should not be in a 10 holder...period. >>

I don't like the card as a 10...but 50-50 centering is not a requirement from PSA, BGS or SGC for that grade.

Toro · July 7, 2012 2:23AM

Cool card in a PSA 10 but I also don't like the tilt. Looking from the back, one side tilts more than the other.

Constantine · July 7, 2012 2:52AM

Surprised about the centering!

itzagoner · July 7, 2012 3:16AM

i like it.

the color, imagery & clarity are outstanding. great surface. find another which looks better than that. i've seen examples of 10's outed here which defied logic, but this isn't one of them.

the top dogs will duke it out to win it. 5 grand +

grote15 · July 7, 2012 3:22AM

What's interesting in threads like these is that when it's someone else's card, it's usually overgraded or possibly sheet cut and when we get our own grades back, the cards are invariably undergraded..

HoneyBadger · July 7, 2012 3:43AM

Nah, what's more interesting is somebody getting all excited about 68 Topps in a 10. That stuff is the 87 Topps of the 60's....butt cheek ugly & overproduced!

Whoever buys that thing is gonna take a bath, that won't be the only 10 with all the 68's out there!

handyman · July 7, 2012 3:53AM

I think it will cover 5200.00 or more.
Just a guess

HoneyBadger · July 7, 2012 3:56AM

Just looked at the listing.....the paper is pristine but is it all there? I'd run!

grote15 · July 7, 2012 4:08AM

but is it all there?

That card is definitely full-sized.

Not a big fan of cards with a tilt but PSA does not downgrade as long as the centering at worst part of tilt is within parameters for the grade.

hammered · July 7, 2012 4:44AM

Interesting that PSA doesn't discount for a tilt, which obviously affects eye appeal,
yet a nearly invisible quarter-inch surface wrinkle will get a 6 at best

StarPaxMan · July 7, 2012 7:39AM

I'm old school probably been collecting/dealing longer than most 60/69
but i do understand that if PSA holdered that card a 10 that's the only opinion that counts
Jose

Maurice · July 7, 2012 12:24PM

<< the color, imagery & clarity are outstanding. great surface. find another which looks better than that. >>

This seller's images are color enhanced.

itzagoner · July 7, 2012 10:32PM

<< 

<< the color, imagery & clarity are outstanding. great surface. find another which looks better than that. >>

This seller's images are color enhanced. >>

gosh. really? i has a scanner, too. sometimes my cards look prettier in my computer than they do in my hand.

it works both ways. further enhancement also further exposes the tiny flaws within.

is all this about the card? or the seller?

RynoandBo · July 7, 2012 11:21PM

I agree that the image had some enhancement, looks like the saturation levels were boosted up, possibly sharpened as well. None the less, it is in a 10 holder, a pop 1, so the money will flow with or without photoshop.

Dpeck100 · July 8, 2012 1:11AM

The watch count has grown from 34 to 57 in just over 24 hours.

PSA has examined over 1,000 examples of this card and if they say it is a 10 then the marketplace will reflect that in the hammer price.

The last 15 minutes on this card is going to be fun to watch for sure.

This seller has a lot of other unique cards closing tonight that I plan to watch as well.

bking · July 8, 2012 2:03AM

<< Interesting that PSA doesn't discount for a tilt, which obviously affects eye appeal,
yet a nearly invisible quarter-inch surface wrinkle will get a 6 at best >>

Preach it brotha!!!!

HoneyBadger · July 8, 2012 2:03AM

Know your seller

ClockworkAngel · July 8, 2012 2:27AM

Never liked the '68's. I think it's an ugly design and the borders and corners make it very difficult to pick up flaws

Maurice · July 8, 2012 7:23AM

<< it works both ways. further enhancement also further exposes the tiny flaws within. >>

Sharpening will expose flaws. Color enhancing won't.

<< is all this about the card? or the seller? >>

It's mostly about the comment you made about the outstanding color. The point is that the outstanding color you see in the image is not what you will see in person.

itzagoner · July 8, 2012 12:05PM

any way you slice it, the most outstanding color is green.

bobbyw8469 · July 8, 2012 12:25PM

<< any way you slice it, the most outstanding color is green >>

The most outstanding color is red and white with a number '10' typed in the middle!! I have seen 9's look better than that!

handyman · July 8, 2012 12:30PM

Ive seen worse corners on 9s.

Maurice · July 8, 2012 1:28PM

<< any way you slice it, the most outstanding color is green. >>

Congrats on the sale goner. Did you slice it? And is this your outstanding friend?

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=37&threadid=615718

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=546320

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=616417

itzagoner · July 8, 2012 1:43PM

i joined a discussion about a baseball card. nothing more, Mo.

Toro · July 8, 2012 2:00PM

I missed the background on the seller in the links. I would think PSA is getting better at recognizing trim jobs but dang, investing in a laser cutter seems like a good idea once again. I dont know if this Clemente was trimmed but it's in a PSA 10 holder and that's what counts!

waverlee · July 8, 2012 2:42PM

RookieWax · July 8, 2012 9:48PM

<< real or fake? can anyone tell >>

yes, no, no

ajw · July 8, 2012 9:52PM

<< There are only two cards from that 19 that have been harder to obtain in a PSA 10 and they are the Nolan Ryan and the Tom Seaver with none achieving that grade.

>>

Is it just me, or is this pretty good evidence that not every card is graded equally? What are the odds that the two toughest cards to get in a PSA 10 are two of the most valuable cards in the set?

Dpeck100 · July 8, 2012 11:00PM

Waverlee I generally enjoy your posts and get a laugh out of them but please take down those pics so the thread does not disapear in the next hour or two.

Thanks

csmtampa · July 8, 2012 11:27PM

lmao

ishypants · July 9, 2012 12:08AM

I will have a go with this one...

no, yes, yes.

What do I win?

bking · July 9, 2012 12:13AM

<< 

<< There are only two cards from that 19 that have been harder to obtain in a PSA 10 and they are the Nolan Ryan and the Tom Seaver with none achieving that grade.

>>

Is it just me, or is this pretty good evidence that not every card is graded equally? What are the odds that the two toughest cards to get in a PSA 10 are two of the most valuable cards in the set? >>

I don't think there is any doubt that PSA applies more scrutiny to the more valuable cards in a set. They should.

A run of the mill common can get a quick eyeball and if it gets overgraded life goes on. If a key cards gets overgraded, the whole market can be impacted. Common sense would say that they have more riding on getting those cards right than they do in the correctness of a 72 John Bateman.

sayheykid54 · July 9, 2012 1:21AM

I would rather have a centered Psa 9. I'm picky about centering and try to avoid cards with tilts.

Morgoth · July 9, 2012 2:02AM

Card looks pretty crappy for a 10. Scans are altered making the card even crappier when you get it in hand.

However, it doesn't matter the people buying these cards only care about the number on the holder. Some of those Dimitri Young cards looked more overgraded than this.

Now this whole trimming issue, I want to know more details as this one is new to me.

Boopotts · July 9, 2012 5:25AM

<< Card looks pretty crappy for a 10. Scans are altered making the card even crappier when you get it in hand.

However, it doesn't matter the people buying these cards only care about the number on the holder. Some of those Dimitri Young cards looked more overgraded than this.

Now this whole trimming issue, I want to know more details as this one is new to me. >>

I don't think this guy is a trimmer. Consider a card like this one; if he was trimming, then there's earthly reason to think he wouldn't have cracked this one out and gone to work on it.

Does he know someone in Newport Beach? I don't know. I used to think so, particularly given some of his subs about five years ago, but now I'm less sure. If you do a cert check around his high grade cards you notice that it's not as if he's just churning out 10 after 10. In fact, for the most part his subs look fairly normal. What I cannot figure out, however, are his buying habits. I've looked up a fair number of the certs on VCP from his cards that look like they were graded a while ago, and I have yet to find a single card he's sold that has sold on Ebay with that same cert. That, to me, seems really, really odd (though not unethical).

1968 Topps NL Batting Leaders Roberto Clemente PSA 10 Pop 1....

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