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Not doing cartwheels about my grades

raykasaraykasa Posts: 186 ✭✭
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after a while, i stopped counting the "crack and resubmit" candidates. oh well, live to grade again i guess...turnaround time was solid though...

Order #20612071 / Submission #5108645
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 20231135 EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1979 TOPPS 185 BOBBY HULL Card
2 1 20231136 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS 292 MEL DANIELS Card
3 1 20231137 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS 186 PAUL WESTPHAL Card
4 1 20231138 MINT 9 1979 TOPPS 440 BOB GRIESE Card
5 1 20231139 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1979 TOPPS 310 JAMES LOFTON Card
6 1 20231140 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1978 TOPPS 400 O.J. SIMPSON Card
7 1 20231141 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1978 TOPPS 200 WALTER PAYTON ALL-PRO Card
8 1 20231142 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1978 TOPPS 320 JOHN STALLWORTH Card
9 1 20231143 NEAR MINT 7 1977 TOPPS 110 KEN STABLER ALL-PRO Card
10 1 20231144 MINT 9 1977 TOPPS 45 ROGER STAUBACH Card
10 2 20231145 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1977 TOPPS 45 ROGER STAUBACH Card
11 1 20231146 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 TOPPS 145 ROMAN GABRIEL Card
12 1 20231147 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 TOPPS 158 RANDY WHITE Card
13 1 20231148 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 TOPPS 395 ROGER STAUBACH Card
14 1 20231149 MINT 9 1974 TOPPS 121 HAROLD CARMICHAEL Card
15 1 20231150 MINT 9 1973 TOPPS 515 NORM SNEAD Card
16 1 20231151 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1972 TOPPS 55 ARCHIE MANNING Card
17 1 20231152 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1972 TOPPS 251 JOHN UNITAS IN ACTION Card
18 1 20231153 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1972 TOPPS 104 RON YARY Card
19 1 20231154 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1972 TOPPS 150 TERRY BRADSHAW Card
20 1 20231155 NEAR MINT 7 1971 TOPPS 39 GEORGE BLANDA Card
21 1 20231156 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 TOPPS 250 JOE NAMATH Card
22 1 20231157 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 TOPPS 245 JOE GREENE Card
23 1 20231158 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1970 TOPPS 24 LARRY BROWN Card
24 1 20231159 NEAR MINT 7 1970 TOPPS 4 RALPH NEELY Card
25 1 20231160 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1970 TOPPS 114 BUBBA SMITH Card
26 1 20231161 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1978 TOPPS 400 NOLAN RYAN Card
27 1 20231162 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1978 TOPPS 350 STEVE GARVEY Card
28 1 20231163 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1978 TOPPS 270 CARLTON FISK Card
29 1 20231164 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1978 TOPPS 6 NOLAN RYAN Card
30 1 20231165 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1978 TOPPS 100 GEORGE BRETT Card
30 2 20231166 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1978 TOPPS 100 GEORGE BRETT Card
31 1 20231167 NEAR MINT 7 1977 TOPPS 450 PETE ROSE Card
32 1 20231168 MINT 9 1977 TOPPS 613 REGGIE CLEVELAND Card
33 1 20231169 N1: EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING 1977 TOPPS 110 STEVE CARLTON Card
34 1 20231170 EXCELLENT 5 1977 TOPPS 525 DENNIS ECKERSLEY Card
35 1 20231171 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1977 TOPPS 476 ROOKIE CATCHERS Card
36 1 20231172 MINT 9 1977 TOPPS 640 CARLTON FISK Card
37 1 20231173 MINT 9 1977 TOPPS 152 GAYLORD PERRY Card
38 1 20231174 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1977 TOPPS 631 BIG LEAGUE BROTHERS G.BRETT/K.BRETT Card
39 1 20231175 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1977 TOPPS 400 STEVE GARVEY Card
40 1 20231176 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 TOPPS 480 MIKE SCHMIDT Card
41 1 20231177 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 TOPPS 240 PETE ROSE Card
42 1 20231178 MINT 9 1976 TOPPS 5 TOM SEAVER Card
43 1 20231179 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 TOPPS 525 BILLY WILLIAMS Card
44 1 20231180 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 TOPPS 525 BILLY WILLIAMS Card
45 1 20231181 NEAR MINT 7 1976 TOPPS 300 JOHNNY BENCH Card
45 2 20231182 NEAR MINT 7 1976 TOPPS 300 JOHNNY BENCH Card
45 3 20231183 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1976 TOPPS 300 JOHNNY BENCH Card
46 1 20231184 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 TOPPS 400 ROD CAREW Card
47 1 20231185 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 TOPPS 95 BROOKS ROBINSON Card
48 1 20231186 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 TOPPS 346 TY COBB ALL TIME ALL-STAR Card
49 1 20231187 MINT 9 1976 TOPPS 341 LOU GEHRIG ALL TIME ALL-STAR Card
50 1 20231188 MINT 9 1976 TOPPS 270 WILLIE STARGELL Card
51 1 20231189 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1976 TOPPS 650 THURMAN MUNSON Card
52 1 20231190 MINT 9 1976 TOPPS 530 DON SUTTON Card
53 1 20231191 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 20 THURMAN MUNSON Card
54 1 20231192 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS 130 PHIL NIEKRO Card
55 1 20231193 NEAR MINT 7 1975 TOPPS 61 DAVE WINFIELD Card
56 1 20231194 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1974 TOPPS 3 HANK AARON AARON SPECIAL 1958-61 Card
57 1 20231195 NEAR MINT 7 1974 TOPPS 264 JOE RUDI Card
58 1 20231196 EXCELLENT 5 1974 TOPPS TRADED 330T JUAN MARICHAL Card
59 1 20231197 NEAR MINT 7 1974 TOPPS 340 THURMAN MUNSON Card
60 1 20231198 EXCELLENT 5 1974 TOPPS 400 HARMON KILLEBREW Card
61 1 20231199 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1974 TOPPS 575 STEVE GARVEY Card
62 1 20231200 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1974 TOPPS 330 JUAN MARICHAL Card
63 1 20231201 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1974 TOPPS 283 MIKE SCHMIDT Card
64 1 20231202 MINT 9 1974 TOPPS 252 DAVE PARKER Card
65 1 20231203 NEAR MINT 7 1974 TOPPS 55 FRANK ROBINSON Card
66 1 20231204 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1973 TOPPS 614 ROOKIE OUTFIELDERS BUMBRY/EVANS/SPIKES Card
67 1 20231205 NEAR MINT 7 1973 TOPPS 160 JIM PALMER Card
68 1 20231206 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1973 TOPPS 503 PHIL NIEKRO Card
69 1 20231207 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1973 TOPPS 193 CARLTON FISK ALL-STAR ROOKIE Card
70 1 20231208 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1973 TOPPS 175 FRANK ROBINSON Card
71 1 20231209 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1973 TOPPS 175 FRANK ROBINSON Card
72 1 20231210 NEAR MINT 7 1972 TOPPS 38 CARL YASTRZEMSKI IN ACTION Card
73 1 20231211 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1972 TOPPS 235 MERV RETTENMUND Card
74 1 20231212 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1972 TOPPS 679 ASTROS ROOKIES B.FENWICK/B.STINSON Card
75 1 20231213 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1972 TOPPS 132 JOE MORGAN Card
76 1 20231214 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1972 TOPPS 91 N.L. E.R.A. LEADERS SEAVER/ROBERTS/WILSON Card
77 1 20231215 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1972 TOPPS 777 HOYT WILHELM Card
78 1 20231216 MINT 9 1972 TOPPS 200 LOU BROCK Card
79 1 20231217 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 TOPPS 170 MIKE CUELLAR Card

Total Items: 83
Date Received: 6/12/2012
Date Shipped: 6/19/2012
Order Status: Shipped

Comments

  • Probstein123Probstein123 Posts: 1,281 ✭
    nice batch of HOFers !!
    Rick Probstein
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  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,651 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice Mint 9 on the 74 Parker RC! image
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭✭
    22 1 20231157 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1971 TOPPS 245 JOE GREENE Card

    Very nice! How's the centering?
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • goraidersgoraiders Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭


    Any of them 72 fb for sale??
    J.R.
    Needs'
    1972 Football-9's high#'s
    1965 Football-8's
    1958 Topps FB-7-8
  • raykasaraykasa Posts: 186 ✭✭
    i gotta go over these for regrade consideration...if the 72fb are what they should be(and no higher) i'll contact you..ray
  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,563 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Stingy with the 9's! Lots of nice 8's there though...
    Mike
    Bosox1976
  • HoneyBadgerHoneyBadger Posts: 152
    I know people who submit.....A LOT. Basically any 8 these days is a 7, & any 9 is an 8 or 8.5. They're engaging in a bunch of hyper technical
    dugley that ruins the passion for people to submit cards. So people are submitting less & selling raw more.

    Glad I stick to unopened, it's a stupid game to play when customers ain't treated right!
  • raykasaraykasa Posts: 186 ✭✭
    Sadly i must agree; i use to know exactly what my cards would grade- now i suddenly am clueless...
  • fiveninerfiveniner Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I know people who submit.....A LOT. Basically any 8 these days is a 7, & any 9 is an 8 or 8.5. They're engaging in a bunch of hyper technical
    dugley that ruins the passion for people to submit cards. So people are submitting less & selling raw more.

    Glad I stick to unopened, it's a stupid game to play when customers ain't treated right! >>

    image
    Tony(AN ANGEL WATCHES OVER ME)
  • LarryPLarryP Posts: 339 ✭✭
    raykasa,

    Any chance this one is going to be for sell? I would definitely be interested!!!

    10 1 20231144 MINT 9 1977 TOPPS 45 ROGER STAUBACH Card

    Thank you,
    -Larry
    Upgrading: Nothing!

    Selling: Everything!
    eBay Auctions
  • RookieWaxRookieWax Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭
    My last 2 submissions have received the toughest grading I can remember in years. In my last sub, I subbed about 25 modern cards with perfect corners and edges and 50-50 centering. Not a single 10 in there.....all 9s with a few 8s. Come on now!! They must have been instructed to cut WAY back on giving out 10s.
  • MauriceMaurice Posts: 1,136


    << <i>I subbed about 25 modern cards with perfect corners and edges and 50-50 centering. Not a single 10 in there.....all 9s with a few 8s. Come on now!! They must have been instructed to cut WAY back on giving out 10s. >>


    I suppose it's easier to fabricate a conspiracy theory rather than to admit you don't know what you're doing.
  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    I suppose it's easier to fabricate a conspiracy theory rather than to admit you don't know what you're doing.

    image
  • CaptainNookCaptainNook Posts: 38
    Maurice:

    That's a classless comment. As if grading cards is some sort of rocket science that only those who have PhD's and 15 years of training are equipped to do.



    Captain
  • RookieWaxRookieWax Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭
    All I have to say about Maurice:

    is this

    I have been subbing cards for over 10 years, and the vast majority of the time the grades come out as expected. I have subbed many large orders of modern cards and have always received a fair amount of 10s. In general, many 9s could easily be 10s and vice versa, we all know that. So to receive no 10s and a boat load of 9s this time...something has changed.
  • firedawg45firedawg45 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭
    any 77 for sale?
    # 2 Pete Rose Master Set , also
    collecting 1977 topps baseball in psa 9 and psa 10
  • pmcollectourpmcollectour Posts: 1,211 ✭
    I continue to encourage small time submitters (not sure what type you are) to submit orders in
    smaller quantities. That way your costs are reduced if you get a tougher grader for that day.

    The flip side is if you get an easy grader, then you should have submitted more.

    I always submit in small quantities, no more then 15-20 at a time.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 12,004 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think PSA has become a little harder to get 8's and 9's in 60's and 70's material. Most of it is because they weren't looking as close and/or they were a bit more lenient.

    I think their grading strategy has been brilliant, they were able to win the battle with the other grading companies by being strict with the grades, but not too much so. Now that they are in the driver's seat, they have become just a little bit tougher with the high grades. This causes many of the recently graded cards to be cracked and resubmitted and/or sent in for reviews, generating more revenue. Many of us are "locked in" with PSA either because of the registry, or because we have so much invested in PSA cards, and certainly aren't going to stop having our cards graded by them. Oh yes, they also bring the highest returns when selling.

    My complaint comes from the inconsistent use of the .5 grade. I recently sent in a 71 card submission, most of the cards had better than 60/40 centering with many of these 50/50, only one card received a .5. Most of the cards were 7's and 8's with a couple of 9's, but with that many well centered fairly high grade cards it seems that I should have gotten several 7.5's and 8.5's.

    I spent an hour or so yesterday going over some of those cards with a long time dealer who is a fairly large PSA submitter. He was able to find many very very hard to notice flaws that I had missed. He did admit that some of my 7's would have been 8's in the past.

    Just my .02

    Joe
    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
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