Grade help please 1770 1/2p

jfoot13

I still have trouble grading this early copper, Will this grade XF

thanks
Ken

spinaker2000

Looks like a nice AUish + piece, can you adjust the lighting a bit? Too difficult make out the high points to accurately grade.

jfoot13

heres another one I tried with the point and shoot camera

JCMhouston

The obverse certainly looks Au in the images, not so sure if the reverse may keep it from an overall XF though. The second set of images seem to show a lot of wear, maybe down to VF30-35 on the reverse.

spinaker2000

Much better pics. Agree with what JCM said. Still really nice, I'll take it.

jfoot13

I do have a hard time grading this British stuff, I guess my mind is still in US mode. Looking at this coin in hand if it were a US piece I have a fairly high confidence it would grade AU so by European standards I'm thinking EF. What makes it hard is the hugh price difference between VF and EF. When I go to shows I try to look at all the graded British coins I can but if they are graded by US TPGs are they graded by US or European critera? I did pick up a Spink book and those prices are higher so I assume they are by European grading. Is there a Photograde book for British coins like our Host supplies us for US?

Thanks
Ken

coinkat

This is a tough one- in part because of the image- I do not see AU under any circumstances. The coin looks as if it has been restored and the surfaces have that look which because of the image is not helping the cause

The second image of the obverse shows a general flatness which seems to be wear more so than the strike

marcmoish

I truly don't see AU surfaces here sorry - more like EF40-45 tops - but who knows a picture can lie ye know
Good luck.

jfoot13

I purchased the coin for over VF money and less than EF money but the price spread is vf/ 70 GBP to ef/ 295 GBP I paid 140 GBP but I'm not real sure of the grading so I guess I'm just trying to find out if I got a good deal or paid some more tuition...