1999 World Boxing Manny Pacquiao Rookie

eagles33

I just picked up this uncut panel and want to cut the cards to the pacquiao card slabbed. I suck at this and have ruined cards in the past. I'm wondering if anyone who is skilled at cutting would be willing to cut the card for a fee. Please pm me if anyone is interested.


1999 Manny Pacquiao World Boxing Card from Japan

Big80s

Let me know if you have any luck finding someone, Eagles. I'm still in need of help with my 1960 Hemmets Clay card.

mariotown

Why cut it at all? Won't Beckett slab that as a complete panel?

Kevin

eagles33

Getting the whole panel slabbed is an option but I would rather have the individual card slabbed so it looks more uniform with the rest of the collection.

MrKnowthanx

How were you able to pick that up. I have been trying to find some of those late 90's issues and can't for the life of me.

eagles33

Just random searching on eBay. I paid up for it though. I remember one sold a while ago for around 125... So I didn't get a great deal on it... But I haven't seen many and I really wanted a card of him closer to his true rookie year... So pulled the trigger.

pmcollectour

Good luck with your cards.

Just a word of caution.

I have hand cut hundreds of box bottoms over the years and have submitted them to PSA.

PSA has sent back cards that are the same exact size as PSA 8 or 9, and PSA Authentic.
I have remeasured these cards when I get them back, and there is no difference in the size of the cut.

Just wanted to let you know so that you don't get upset at the person you choose to cut the cards, if they cut them, and they
come back Authentic from PSA. Please contact PSA and find out the size requirements needed for the cards too.

Also, I have cut cards with perfect cuts, and have also botched up a few. The handle on the cutter can jar loose sometimes. So
95% of my cuts have been awesome, but a small percentage have a minor tilt, but PSA has not penalized that from what I've seen.

Best of luck.

miklia

I couldn't resist once I saw this card Eagles - thanks for letting us know it exists. I picked up one today with a creased Manny from the same seller. I'll be cutting mine up, so perhaps if we can get them cut in the exact same size it will bode well for a high grade for yours...there are zero currently graded.

I believe that PSA will slab the entire sheet though, as they do this for the Hemmets.

eagles33

I'm waiting to hear back from psa about the min size requirements. I'm hoping it will just be alomg the gold boarder and not just outside like on the box bottoms. Ill let you know once I hear back from psa. I'm pretty fired up that they even agreed to grade it. I'm still looking for a steady hand to take on the job to cut these..

eagles33

I got a response back from PSA regarding this card. They will grade the entire panel or...

"Unfortunately, I can't really tell what the minimum size requirement for the cut card should be.  There tends to be some wiggle room for Hand Cut cards as far as where to cut, but it is important that the cut corners be as square as possible.  From the scans the customer sent in earlier, it looks like the cards have white borders between each boxer image in the  panel - the customer might want to maintain the white border instead of cutting along image itself (less chance of mistakenly cutting actual picture)"

Good luck to anyone who has this.. Hopefully you get a number grade. I'm keeping my fingers crossed about mine

eagles33

This was the only one graded for a little while but it looks like there is a 9 now in the pop report. Good to see there is someone else collecting these. If its someone on the boards please post some scans. Congrats on the number grade too. Here is the one u have.

SumoMenkoMan

Eagles,

Can you send me a picture of the front cover of the magazine so I can keep a lookout for the magazine? Thanks!

miklia

I have the 9 - it just popped last week, actually. I also have 3-4 of the mags that I have not yet cut, but I don't know of any other mags currently in existence. The source for these in Japan stopped looking after two years of coming up empty, but there may be a couple of others around. This series also has the first true rookie of Khaosai Galaxy. I'll try to get a scan up of the covers this week.

SumoMenkoMan

Thanks. I am sure there are a few more around especially on the Japanese auction sites. I saw one not too long ago, but I passed on it not really thinking. I'm on the Japanese auction sites most everyday so I'll add it to my searches.

miklia

Found a pic in my email for the Manny:



Good luck with your search! If you manage to find some (and want to sell), I'm buying clean mags for $200-250.

eagles33

I've been asking a few different Japanese sellers for the magazine ever since I bought this one over a year ago and haven't found another one. I would have thought that the magazine would be fairly common in Japan but was just tough to get in the US... But that doesn't seem to be the case. Ide be interested to see how much a slabbed one goes for on eBay. Him and mayweather need to fight. His cards certainly have a strong following after seeing what the psa 10 Browns card just sold for

SumoMenkoMan

So it looks like there are at least 144 cards in the set. It would seem that there is a run of magazines that included the cards.

miklia

I'm of the same opinion Eagles - it's a really tough issue, much rarer than the Mayweather RC. And Manny has a monster Asia following. Once a couple more of the 1999's get into circulation, hi-grade examples might well outpace that recent mayweather sale.

Sumo, that's correct, although a lot of the cards are of older boxers.

SumoMenkoMan

Okay, I see now. There are some of the other cards from the set up for auction....yes, mostly older boxers for sure.

miklia

I'm debating trying to put the set together, but it would be a multi-year effort for sure...

eagles33

Do you have a checklist for the set? Any other stars or rookies to speak of?

halosfan

Are you going to grade any more of them?

wrestlingcardking

A checklist for the set would be really neat to see......

SumoMenkoMan

Here is the first start at the checklist...hopefully Miklia has a better list. If not I can go hunt for one:

32: Gene Tunney
36: Yoshio Shirai
44: Jack Johnson
48: Salvador Sanchez
52: Jose Napoles
60: Bob Fitzsimmons
64: Pancho Villa
67: Barney Ross
80: Emile Griffith
83: Luisito Espinosa
88: Bob Foster
96: Carlos Monzon
100: Jack Dempsey
140: Terry McGovern
141: Celes Kobayashi
142: Nobu?? Oo??
143: Manny Pacquiao
144: Willie Pep
180: Joe Walcott

I wonder if Adam Warshaw has it mentioned in his book "America's Great Boxing Cards 2012-2013".......

wrestlingcardking

I doubt that Adam Warshaw has this checklisted.....

SumoMenkoMan

Doing a little research, I believe that there are 192 cards in the set. Released at the beginning of 1996 to the end of 2000.

miklia

Eagles, I think that Larry can assist here. I seem to remember Tyson and Holyfield making appearances, along with most of the Asian stars. There's also a great Fighting Harada card.

Sumo, that's a good start. I'll assist where I can, but it's a difficult set. Perhaps it'll send up being a truly classic release, who knows. Either way, it's tough as heck.

miklia

<< <i>Are you going to grade any more of them? >>



I'm not sure yet - I might throw the PSA 9 on ebay to see what it gets, or I might hold tight. I'm not in a rush to sell, as this set is a huge sleeper imho.

SumoMenkoMan

<< <i>Sumo, that's a good start. I'll assist where I can, but it's a difficult set. Perhaps it'll send up being a truly classic release, who knows. Either way, it's tough as heck. >>



Yes, I'm sure this is going to be a monster set to put together especially since it was released over the span of 5 years. My current digging found about 10% of the cards available right now on the market in uncut sheets still in the magazines. A little more digging will probably get that to the 20-25% range. The next 75% is going to have to trickle in over the years....unless a hoard gets released at some point. And then you have to deal with importing them to the US....so it wouldn't be a small feat and not cheap. Heck, this is what makes it fun though!

ReggieCleveland

They're not even mentioned in AGBC. Adam sticks to American-issued cards.

SumoMenkoMan

Cards #13-16 are on their way over from Japan inside a magazine. Condition=unknown, Card subjects=unknown. We have to start somewhere if we want to checklist this set....

miklia

Here's my Manny, btw:

eagles33

Nice. That's definitely cut straighter than mine. Great card!

miklia

thanks Eagles. I won't scan the one I accidentally cut the corner off of. anyone want 85% of a Manny RC?

wrestlingcardking

I cut the corner off of one of the cards I was handcutting. It happens but I am sure glad it is not a Manny RC, ouch!

halosfan

That looks fabulous ...

miklia

thanks Halos - I was really fired up with how it turned out. I know you're supposed to cut as close to the border as possible, but it just looked so. freaking. good. with the touch of white all around. I'm glad PSA agreed.

SumoMenkoMan

Great looking card! I like the white around the border as well.

Do the sheets come out cleanly from the magazine or do you have to trim them a little if you want to get the sheet slabbed?

SumoMenkoMan

<< <i>I'm debating trying to put the set together, but it would be a multi-year effort for sure... >>



I'm seriously debating putting another raw set together. We'll see how this run of 1999 magazines goes.

wrestlingcardking

<< <i>

<< <i>I'm debating trying to put the set together, but it would be a multi-year effort for sure... >>



I'm seriously debating putting another raw set together. We'll see how this run of 1999 magazines goes. >>



I'm willing to hand cut for some product if you are ever interested.

eagles33

i got a psa 10 on the manny wrestlingcardking cut for me. definately worth it to me to have someone who knows what they are doing cut the cards.

wrestlingcardking

<< <i>i got a psa 10 on the manny wrestlingcardking cut for me. definately worth it to me to have someone who knows what they are doing cut the cards. >>



I appreciate your endorsement!

halosfan

Sweet. That is a great card!

SumoMenkoMan

I've thought about getting another raw set together and then getting the set cut and slabbed so I have one slabbed and one raw.

halosfan

you guys should find me one

SumoMenkoMan

Latest Manny pickup. Unfortunately it has a small surface wrinkle on it (hard to see it on picture). Overall, it's not a bad panel though.

SumoMenkoMan

Another Manny just sold in Japan. It was up for auction and seller ended auction early. Wonder if it'll end up over here in the States eventually.

miklia

Yeah, I picked up one recently too, also had a crease though. Seems like the mags are still trickling out, but clean and uncreased ones are getting harder and harder to find..

SumoMenkoMan

Yeah, they are appearing about 2-3 a year or so. Too bad on yours. I just sold one on ebay a few months that had a crease. I wonder if you picked it up.

miklia

Oddly enough, I think that adding a few each year to the overall POP is a very good thing for the long-term value of this card. If there's only 3 in existence, then it's just impossible to get. With 15-20 (or more) examples, there's more visibility, which in turn increases demand. I've seen the same thing with the Hemmets Ali - about 5-6 come up a year, and they only continue to rise in value. A lot more potential demand than supply for both of these cards, even if the pop gets to 100..

SumoMenkoMan

I would agree. Hopefully more and more of these show up.