Pre-War HOF Rookies
goodtricks
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I am starting this threads in hopes to assemble an agreeable list of pre-war HOF rookies that we can create a new PSA Set Registry for all HOF's. This task is no small feat, and will take time to create. For some players there are no-brainer cards, where other players we can discuss which way we want to go. I think the best way to accomplish this task is to set some ground rules for the set. As of now I'm not quite sure what those will be, but one thought is only baseball cards (not postcards, etc...) and only MLB (not minor league cards).
I'll use this initial post to keep a list going of all the players and add the cards we agree on as we go. To start I'm going to use this link as a benchmark: HOF Rookies
Welcome any and all feedback!
I'll use this initial post to keep a list going of all the players and add the cards we agree on as we go. To start I'm going to use this link as a benchmark: HOF Rookies
Welcome any and all feedback!
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1933 Goudey: Arky Vaughan
1934 Goudey: Hank Greenberg
1939 Play Ball: Ted Williams
1941 Play Ball: Pee Wee Reese
1941 Double Play: Phil Rizzuto, Lou Boudreau, Enos Slaughter (he has a '38 Goudey proof card, but I don't think that would apply)
Hank Aaron (1954 Topps/Johnston Cookies)
Grover Alexander (1913 National Game/Tom Barker Game)
Roberto Alomar (1988 Donruss)
Walter Alston (1956 Topps)
Sparky Anderson (1959 Topps)
Cap Anson (1887 Buchner)
Luis Aparicio (1956 Topps)
Luke Appling (1931-32 4-on-1 Exhibits)
Richie Ashburn (1949 Bowman)
Earl Averill (1929-30 R315)
Frank Baker (1909-11 T206/Colgan’s Chips/E90-1)
Dave Bancroft (1916 M101-5/Fleischmann Bakery)
Ernie Banks (1954 Topps)
Al Barlick (1955 Bowman)
Ed Barrow (1950-56 Callahan HOF)
Jake Beckley (1888 Old Judge)
Cool Papa Bell (1974 Laughlin)
Johnny Bench (1968 Topps)
Chief Bender (1903 E107)
Yogi Berra (1947 Tip Top Bread/Bond Bread/W602)
Bert Blyleven (1971 Topps)
Wade Boggs (1983 Topps/Fleer/Donruss)
Jim Bottomley (1923 Maple Crispette)
Lou Boudreau (1941 Double Play)
Roger Bresnahan (1903 W600)
George Brett (1975 Topps)
Lou Brock (1962 Topps)
Dan Brouthers (1887 Buchner/Old Judge/Gypsy Queen)
Mordecai Brown (1904 Allegheny) - Second Card (1904 W600)
Raymond Brown (1945-46 Caramelo Deportivo)
Willard Brown (1948-49 Toleteros)
Morgan Bulkeley (1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcards)
Jim Bunning (1957 Topps)
Jesse Burkett (1893 Just So Tobacco) - Second Card (1903 W600)
Roy Campanella (1949 Bowman)
Rod Carew (1967 Topps)
Max Carey (1912 T207)
Steve Carlton (1965 Topps)
Gary Carter (1975 Topps)
Alexander Cartwright (1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcards)
Orlando Cepeda (1958 Topps)
Henry Chadwick (1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcards)
Frank Chance (1902 W600)
Happy Chandler (1950-56 Callahan HOF)
Oscar Charleston (1923-24 Tomas Gutierrez/Billiken)
Jack Chesbro (1902 W600)
Nestor Chylak (1955 Bowman)
Fred Clarke (1902 W600)
John Clarkson (1887 Buchner/Old Judge/Four Base Hits)
Roberto Clemente (1955 Topps)
Ty Cobb (1907 W600/1907-09 Wolverine/Dietsche/Taylor Postcards)
Mickey Cochrane (1926 Spalding)
Eddie Collins (1907 W600)
Jimmy Collins (1903 E107)
Earle Combs (1926 Exhibits)
Charles Comiskey (1887 Buchner/Old Judge/Gypsy Queen/Lone Jack)
Jocko Conlan (1955 Bowman)
Tom Connolly (1950-56 Callahan HOF)
Roger Connor (1886 N167/Kalamazoo Bats)
Andy Cooper (1923-24 Tomas Gutierrez/Billiken/Nacionales)
Stan Coveleski (1920 W520/W522)
Sam Crawford (1902 W600)
Joe Cronin (1931-32 4-on-1 Exhibits)
Candy Cummings (1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcards)
Kiki Cuyler (1925 Exhibits)
Ray Dandridge (1945-46 Caramelo Deportivo)
George Davis (1894 N142)
Andre Dawson (1977 Topps)
Leon Day (1949-50 Toleteros)
Dizzy Dean (1933 Goudey/George C Miller/Tatoo Orbit)
Ed Delahanty (1889 Old Judge)
Bill Dickey (1931 W502)
Martin Dihigo (1927-28 Mallorquina) - Second Card (1931 Doble Aguila)
Joe DiMaggio (1936 World Wide Gum/R314/R312)
Larry Doby (1949 Leaf/Bowman)
Bobby Doerr (1937 R314)
Barney Dreyfuss (1910 Tip Top Bread)
Don Drysdale (1957 Topps)
Hugh Duffy (1888 Old Judge)
Leo Durocher (1929-30 4-on-1 Exhibits)
Dennis Eckersley (1976 Topps/Hostess/Kellogg’s/SSPC)
Billy Evans (1922 Exhibits)
Johnny Evers (1903 W600)
Buck Ewing (1886 N167/Kalamazoo Bats)
Red Faber (1916 M101-5/4)
Bob Feller (1937 R314/OPC/4-on-1 Exhibits)
Rick Ferrell (1931-32 4-on-1 Exhibits) - Second Card (1933 Goudey/Worch Cigars)
Rollie Fingers (1969 Topps)
Carlton Fisk (1972 Topps)
Elmer Flick (1903 E107)
Whitey Ford (1951 Bowman/Berk Ross)
Rube Foster (1974 Laughlin)
Willie Foster (1927-28 Mallorquina) - Second Card (1974 Laughlin)
Nellie Fox (1951 Bowman)
Jimmy Foxx (1925-31 Postcard-Back Exhbits)
Ford Frick (1959 Topps)
Frank Frisch (1920 W519)
Pud Galvin (1887 Old Judge/Gypsy Queen)
Lou Gehrig (1925 Exhibits)
Charlie Gehringer (1926 Exhibits)
Bob Gibson (1959 Topps)
Josh Gibson (1950-51 Toleteros)
Warren Giles (1956 Topps)
Pat Gillick (1997 Canadian HOF)
Lefty Gomez (1932 US Caramel)
Joe Gordon (1939-46 Salutation Exhibits)
Goose Goslin (1922 E120/W573)
Rich Gossage (1973 Topps)
Frank Grant (1974 Laughlin)
Hank Greenberg (1934 Goudey)
Clark Griffith (1889 Old Judge)
Burleigh Grimes (1921 Exhibits/Oxford Confectionary)
Lefty Grove (1928 Star Player Candy)
Tony Gwynn (1983 Topps/Fleer/Donruss)
Chick Hafey (1928 Star Player Candy)
Jesse Haines (1921 Exhibits)
Billy Hamilton (1889 Old Judge)
Ned Hanlon (1887 Buchner/Old Judge/Gypsy Queen)
William Harridge (1956 Topps)
Bucky Harris (1921 Exhibits)
Gabby Hartnett (1922 E120/W573)
Doug Harvey (1984 Smokey the Bear)
Harry Heilmann (1917 Boston Store/Collins McCarthy/Standard Biscuit/Weil Baking)
Rickey Henderson (1980 Topps)
Bill Herman (1932 Denby Cigars Postcard)
Whitey Herzog (1957 Topps)
Pete Hill (1909 Cabanas) - Second Card (1910 Punch) - Third Card (1974 Laughlin)
Harry Hooper (1909-11 Colgan’s Chips)
Rogers Hornsby (1917 Boston Store/Collins McCarthy/Standard Biscuit/Weil Baking)
Waite Hoyt (1921 E121/Koester Bread)
Cal Hubbard (1955 Bowman)
Carl Hubbell (1929-30 R315)
Miller Huggins (1906 Fan Craze)
William Hulbert (1994 American Archives)
Catfish Hunter (1965 Topps)
Monte Irvin (1948-49 El Indio)
Reggie Jackson (1969 Topps/Milton Bradley)
Travis Jackson (1923 William Paterson)
Fergie Jenkins (1966 Topps)
Hugh Jennings (1894 Alpha Photo Engraving) - Second Card (1902 W600)
Ban Johnson (1906 Fan Craze)
Judy Johnson (1974 Laughlin)
Walter Johnson (1908 Rose Company Postcards)
Addie Joss (1903 E107)
Al Kaline (1954 Topps)
Tim Keefe (1886 N167/Kalamazoo Bats)
Willie Keeler (1902 W600)
George Kell (1947 Tip Top Bread)
Joe Kelley (1894 Alpha Photo Engraving) - Second Card (1902 W600)
George Kelly (1920 W520/W522/W516-1)
King Kelly (1887 Old Judge/Gypsy Queen/Four Base Hits/Buchner)
Harmon Killebrew (1955 Topps)
Ralph Kiner (1947 Tip Top Bread/Bond Bread/W602)
Chuck Klein (1925-31 Postcard-Back Exhibits)
Bill Klem (1922 Exhibits)
Sandy Koufax (1955 Topps)
Bowie Kuhn (1969 Topps Test Issue)
Nap Lajoie (1902 W600)
Kenesaw Landis (1944-52 Albertype HOF Postcards)
Tommy LaSorda (1954 Topps)
Tony Lazzeri (1926 Exhibits/Spalding)
Bob Lemon (1947 Van Patrick Postcards)
Buck Leonard (1974 Laughlin)
Fred Lindstrom (1925-31 W590)
Pop Lloyd (1910 Punch) - Second Card (1923-24 Billiken/Tomas Gutierrez)
Ernie Lombardi (1933 Tatoo Orbit)
Al Lopez (1930 Baguer Chocolate)
Ted Lyons (1924 Diaz Cigarettes)
Connie Mack (1887 Old Judge)
Biz Mackey (1924-25 Aguilitas)
Larry MacPhail (1973-80 TCMA All-Time Greats)
Lee MacPhail (1980-01 Perez Steele HOF Postcards)
Effa Manley (1996 Negro League Playing Cards)
Mickey Mantle (1951 Bowman)
Heinie Manush (1929 R316 Kashin)
Rabbit Maranville (1912 Boston Daily American Postcards)
Juan Marichal (1961 Topps)
Rube Marquard (1909-11 T206/Colgan’s Chips/E90-1)
Ed Mathews (1952 Topps)
Christy Mathewson (1903 E107)
Willie Mays (1951 Bowman)
Bill Mazeroski (1957 Topps)
Joe McCarthy (1909-11 Colgan’s Chips)
Tommy McCarthy (1887 Old Judge/Gypsy Queen)
Willie McCovey (1960 Topps)
Joe McGinnity (1902 W600)
Bill McGowan (1948 Safe-T-Card)
John McGraw (1894 Alpha Photo Engraving) - Second Card (1902 W600)
Bill McKechnie (1912 T207)
Bid McPhee (1888 Old Judge)
Joe Medwick (1933 Worch Cigars)
Jose Mendez (1910 Punch) - Second Card (1923-24 Tomas Gutierrez/Nacionales/Billiken)
Johnny Mize (1936 R312)
Paul Molitor (1978 Topps)
Joe Morgan (1965 Topps)
Eddie Murray (1978 Topps/Kellogg’s/Hostess)
Stan Musial (1946 Sears Cardinals Postcard)
Hal Newhouser (1939-46 Salutation Exhibits)
Kid Nichols (1889 Old Judge)
Phil Niekro (1964 Topps)
Walter O'Malley (1988 Rini Postcards)
Jim O'Rourke (1886 N167/Kalamazoo Bats/H812)
Mel Ott (1929 R316 Kashin/Leader Novelty Company)
Satchell Paige (1949 Leaf/Bowman)
Jim Palmer (1966 Topps)
Herb Pennock (1921-23 National Caramel)
Tony Perez (1965 Topps)
Gaylord Perry (1962 Topps)
Eddie Plank (1902 W600)
Alex Pompez (2006 Yellow HOF Postcards)
Cum Posey (2006 Yellow HOF Postcards)
Kirby Puckett (1984 Fleer Update)
Charles Radbourne (1886 Red Stocking Cigars)
Pee Wee Reese (1941 Double Play/Play Ball)
Jim Rice (1975 Topps)
Sam Rice (1917 Collins McCarthy/Boston Store/Standard Biscuit/Weil Baking)
Branch Rickey (1914 Cracker Jack)
Cal Ripken Jr. (1982 Topps/Fleer/Donruss)
Eppa Rixey (1916 M101-5/4)
Phil Rizzuto (1941 Double Play)
Robin Roberts (1949 Bowman)
Brooks Robinson (1957 Topps)
Frank Robinson (1956 Kahn’s)
Jackie Robinson (1947 Bond Bread)
Wilbert Robinson (1887 Kalamazoo Bats)
Bullet Rogan (1974 Laughlin)
Edd Roush (1915 Cracker Jack)
Red Ruffing (1924 Diaz Cigarettes)
Amos Rusie (1889 Old Judge)
Babe Ruth (1916 M101-5/4)
Nolan Ryan (1968 Topps)
Ryne Sandberg (1982 Red Lobster)
Louis Santop (1974 Laughlin)
Ray Schalk (1914 Cracker Jack)
Mike Schmidt (1973 Topps)
Red Schoendienst (1946 Sears Cardinals Postcards)
Tom Seaver (1967 Topps)
Frank Selee (1904 Allegheny) - Second Card (1980-01 Perez Steele HOF Postcards)
Joe Sewell (1921-23 National Caramel)
Al Simmons (1923-24 Exhibits)
George Sisler (1916 M101-5/4)
Enos Slaughter (1941 Double Play/W754)
Hilton Smith (1948-49 Toleteros)
Ozzie Smith (1978 Family Fun Center)
Duke Snider (1949 Bowman)
Billy Southworth (1919-21 W514)
Warren Spahn (1947 Tip Top Bread/W602)
Albert Spalding (1888 G & B Chewing Gum) - Second Card (1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcards)
Tris Speaker (1908-09 Rose Company Postcards)
Willie Stargell (1963 Topps)
Turkey Stearnes (1978 Laughlin)
Casey Stengel (1916 M101-5/Fleischmann Bakery)
Bruce Sutter (1977 Topps)
Mule Suttles (1974 Laughlin)
Don Sutton (1966 Topps)
Ben Taylor (1978 Laughlin)
Bill Terry (1925 Exhibits)
Sam Thompson (1887 Buchner/Old Judge/Gypsy Queen)
Joe Tinker (1903 W600)
Cristobal Torriente (1923-24 Billiken/Tomas Gutierrez/Nacionales)
Pie Traynor (1922 E120/W573)
Dazzy Vance (1924 Diaz Cigarettes)
Arky Vaughan (1933 Worch Cigars/Goudey)
Bill Veeck (1952 St. Louis Browns Postcards)
Rube Waddell (1902 W600)
Honus Wagner (1902 W600)
Bobby Wallace (1902 W600)
Ed Walsh (1904 W600)
Lloyd Waner (1927 York Caramel)
Paul Waner (1925-31 Postcard-Back Exhibits)
John Ward (1886 N167/Kalamazoo Bats)
Earl Weaver (1969 Topps)
George Weiss (1973-80 TCMA All-Time Greats)
Mickey Welch (1886 N167/H812/N-UNC)
Willie Wells (1974 Laughlin)
Zach Wheat (1909-11 T206)
Sol White (1978 Laughlin)
Hoyt Wilhelm (1952 Topps)
J.L. Wilkinson (2006 Yellow HOF Postcards)
Billy Williams (1961 Topps)
Dick Williams (1952 Topps)
Joe Williams (1974 Laughlin)
Ted Williams (1939 Play Ball/R303A)
Vic Willis (1903 E107)
Hack Wilson (1925 W504)
Jud Wilson (1974 Laughlin)
Dave Winfield (1974 Topps)
George Wright (1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcards)
Harry Wright (1887 Old Judge)
Early Wynn (1948 Safe-T-Card/Gunther Beer Postcards)
Carl Yastrzemski (1960 Topps)
Tom Yawkey (1959 Ted Williams Set)
Cy Young (1893 Just So Tobacco) - Second Card (1902 W600)
Ross Youngs (1919-21 W514)
Robin Yount (1975 Topps/Hostess)
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Both Feller and Doerr are considered to have rookies in this set.
Nick
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So, keeping in mind how the post-war is set up, they many times do not use the players real 1st card but more of their 1st major set card, I sent another list with more T206's, 1933 Goudey's plus many others, but not the rare regional issues. This is my first post, if I had thought of it I would have asked for other opinions but, too late now. It has been about a week now, haven't heard back from PSA Set Registry yet, will probably take a while. If you want to see the list I sent in, just say so & I will post it. Now, this was for a combined HOF rookie set, not just a pre-war, but same idea.
Yes please post it. I'd love to see it.
CAP ANSON 1887 N172 Old Judge
LUKE APPLING 1934 Goudey #27
EARL AVERILL 1933 Goudey #194
FRANK BAKER 1909 T206
DAVE BANCROFT 1922 E120-121 American Caramel #4,7
JAKE BECKLEY 1887 N172 Old Judge
COOL PAPA BELL 1974 Laughlin- Old Time Black Stars #24
CHIEF BENDER 1909 T206
JIM BOTTOMLEY 1933 Goudey #44
LOU BOUDREAU 1941 Double Play #131/132
ROGER BRESNAHAN 1909 T206
DAN BROUTHERS 1887 N172 Old Judge
MORDECAI BROWN 1909 T206
RAY BROWN 1945 Caramelo Deportivo Cuban League #30
1950 Denia
WILLARD BROWN 1948 to 1951 Toleteros #26, 28, 20
1950 Denia
JESSE BURKETT 1909 T204 Ramly #20
MAX CAREY 1912 T207
FRANK CHANCE 1909 T206
OSCAR CHARLESTON 1923 Billiken #8
1923 Tomas Gutierrez #14
1974 Laughlin Old-Time Black Stars #34
JACK CHESBRO 1909 T206
FRED CLARKE 1909 T206
JOHN CLARKSON 1887 N172 Old Judge
TY COBB 1907 PC765-1 Dietsche #3/4
1909 T206
MICKEY COCHRANE 1932 R328 US Caramel #12
1933 Goudey #76
EDDIE COLLINS 1909 T206
JIMMY COLLINS 1909 T206
EARLE COMBS 1932 US Carmel #5
ROGER CONNOR 1886 N167 Old Judge
1887 N172 Old Judge
ANDY COOPER 1923 Billiken #10
1923 Nacionales Cigar Rios #17
1923 Tomas Gutierrez #76
STAN COVELESKI 1922 American Carmel E120 1922 American Carmel E121
SAM CRAWFORD 1909 T206
JOE CRONIN 1932 US Carmel #7
CANDY CUMMINGS 1950 Callahan HOF #23
KIKI CUYLER 1933 Goudey #23
RAY DANDRIDGE 1945 Caramelo Deportivo Cuban League #25
1946-47 Almanaque Deportivo #L-28
GEORGE DAVIS 1909 T206
LEON DAY 1949 Toleteros #56
1950 Denia #20
DIZZY DEAN 1933 Goudey #223
ED DELAHANTY 1887 N172 Old Judge
BILL DICKEY 1932 U S Carmel #6
MARTIN DIHIGO 1931 Doble Aquila Sport #197
1945 Caramelo Deportivo Cuban League #65
JOE DIMAGGIO 1936 R314 Goudey Wide Pens #44/45
1936 V355 Goudey #51
BOBBY DOERR 1936 R314 Goudey Wide Pens #47
1938 R323 Goudey #258, 252
HUGH DUFFY 1887 N172 Old Judge #135
JOHNNY EVERS 1909 T206
BUCK EWING 1886 N167 Old Judge
RED FABER 1921 E121 American Caramel
1922 E120 American Caramel
BOB FELLER 1936 R314 Goudey Wide Pens #52
RICK FERRELL 1933 R319 Goudey #197
BILL FOSTER
JIMMIE FOXX 1932 US Caramel #23 1933 Goudey #29,154
FRANKIE FRISCH 1921 E121-80 American Carmel #32
1922 E102 American Caramel #31,64
PUD GALVIN 1887 N172 Old Judge #178,179
LOU GEHRIG 1932 US Caramel #26
1933 Goudey #92,160
CHARLIE GEHRINGER 1933 Goudey # 222
JOSH GIBSON 1931 Harrison Studios Postcard
1950-51 Toleteros #60
LEFTY GOMEZ 1932 R328 US Carmel #31
JOE GORDON 1939 R303 #11,19
1941 Double Play #67/67
GOOSE GOSLIN 1922 E120 American Carmel #73
FRANK GRANT 1974 Laughlin Old Time Black Stars #17
HANK GREENBERG 1934 R318 Batter Up #57
1934 R320 Goudey #62
CLARK GRIFFITH 1887 N172 Old Judge #203
BURLEIGH GRIMES 1922 E120 American Carmel #77
LEFTY GROVE 1932 US Caramel #27
1933 Goudey #220
CHICK HAFEY 1932 US Caramel #8
1933 R333 Delong #19
JESSE HAINES 1922 E121 American Carmel #43
BILLY HAMILTON 1887 N172 Old Judge #212
GABBY HARTNETT 1922 E120 American Carmel #87
HARRY HEILMANN 1922 American Caramel #22,45,46,91
BILLY HERMAN 1933 R319 Goudey #227
PETE HILL 1910 Punch Cigars Cuban #14
1974 Laughlin Old Time Black Stars 310
HARRY HOOPER 1909 E254 Colgan’s #93
ROGERS HORNSBY 1916 W-UNC Strip Card #10
1917 E135 Collins-McCarthy #80
WAITE HOYT 1921 E121-80 American Carmel #49
1921 E220 National Carmel #49
CARL HUBBELL 1928 R315 #20
1933 R338 Goudey Sport Kings #42
1933 R319 Goudey #230,234
TRAVIS JACKSON 1922 V89 William Paterson #36
1925 W461-4 Exhibits #59
1925 W590 Strip Cards #31
HUGH JENNINGS 1894 Alpha Photo Engraving #9
1902 W600 Sporting Life Cabinets #333,334
JUDY JOHNSON 1974 Laughlin Old Time Black Stars #36
WALTER JOHNSON 1901 Weiser Wonder Postcard
1909 T206 #235,236
ADDIE JOSS 1902 W600 Sporting Life Cabinets #344
1903 E107-1 Breisch-Williams #78
1906 WG2 Fan Craze AL #30
TIM KEEFE 1886 N167 Old Judge #8
1887 N172 Old Judge #256
WILLIE KEELER T206
JOE KELLEY T206
GEORGE KELLY 1921-22 E121-80 American Carmel #57
KING KELLY 1887 N172 Old Judge #260
CHUCK KLEIN 1932 US Caramel #21
1933 Goudey #128
NAP LAJOIE 1909 T206
TONY LAZZERI 1932 US Caramel #18
1933 Goudey #31
BUCK LEONARD 1974 Laughlin Old Time Black Stars #11
FRED LINDSTROM 1932 US Carmamel #16
1933 Goudey #133
POP LLOYD 1923 Billiken #34
1923 Tomas Gutierrez #64
ERNIE LOMBARDI 1934 Goudey #35
TED LYONS 1933 Goudey #7
BIZ MACKEY 1924 Aquilitas Sequndas #871
1974 Laughlin Old Time Black Stars #27
HEINIE MANUSH 1933 Goudey #47,107,187
RABBIT MARANVILLE 1914 E145-1 Cracker Jack #136
RUBE MARQUARD 1909 T206 #303-04-05
CHRISTY MATHEWSON T206
TOMMY MCCARTHY 1887 N172 Old Judge #305
JOE MCGINNITY T206
JOHN MCGRAW T206
BID MCPHEE 1887 N172 Old Judge #322
JOE MEDWICK 1943 R302-1 M.P & Co.
JOSE MENDEZ 1910 Punch Cigars Cuban #21
1923 Billiken #39
1923 Tomas Gutierrez #8
JOHNNY MIZE 1941 Double Play #39/40
KID NICHOLS 1887 N172 Old Judge #318/348
JIM OROURKE 1886 N167 Old Judge #9
MEL OTT 1933 Goudey #127,207
HERB PENNOCK 1933 Goudey #138
EDDIE PLANK 1909 E95 Philadelphia Caramel #20
CHARLEY RADBOURN 1887 N172 Old Judge #385
PEE WEE REESE 1941 R330 Double Play #32/33
1941 R336 Play Ball #54
SAM RICE 1922 E121 American Caramel #57,89,178
EPPA RIXEY 1922 E121 American Caramel #58,90,91,181
PHIL RIZZUTO 1941 R330 Double Play #61/62
WILBERT ROBINSON 1887 N172 Old Judge #397
WILBU "BULLET" ROGAN 1974 Laughlin Old Time Black Stars #19
EDD ROUSH 1915 E145-2 Cracker Jack #161
RED RUFFING 1932 US Caramel #20
1933 Goudey #56
AMOS RUSIE 1887 N172 Old Judge #395
BABE RUTH 1914 Baltimore News Orioles #9
1916 M101 Sporting News #151
LOUIS SANTOP 1974 Laughlin Old Time Black Stars #16
RAY SCHALK 1914 E145 Cracker Jack #61
JOE SEWELL 1921 E220 National Carmel #92
AL SIMMONS 1932 US Caramel #17
1933 Goudey #35
GEORGE SISLER 1916 M101-4,5 Sporting News #164,166
ENOS SLAUGHTER 1938 Goudey Proof
1941 R330 Double Play #39/40
HILTON SMITH 1948-50 Toleteros #139,181
1978 Laughlin Long Ago Black Stars #34
TRIS SPEAKER 1909 T206 #456
TURKEY STEARNES ?
GEORG”MULE" SUTTLES 1974 Laughlin Old Time Black Stars #30
BEN TAYLOR 1978 Laughli Long Ago Black Stars #12
BILL TERRY 1932 US Caramel #4
1933 Goudey #20,125
SAM THOMPSON 1887 N172 Old Judge #466
JOE TINKER T206
CRISTÓBAL TORRIENTE 1974 Laughlin Old Time Black Stars #18
PIE TRAYNOR 1922 E120 American Carmel #220
DAZZY VANCE 1933 Goudey #2
ARKY VAUGHAN 1933 R319 Goudey #229
RUBE WADDELL T206
HONUS WAGNER 1909 E95 Philadelphia Caramel #22
BOBBY WALLACE T206
ED WALSH 1909 T206 #499
LLOYD WANER 1932 US Caramel #13
1933 Goudey #164
PAUL WANER 1932 US Caramel #2
1933 Goudey #25
JOHN WARD 1886 N167 Old Judge #11
MICKEY WELCH 1886 N167 Old Judge #12
WILLIE WELLS 1974 Laughlin Old Time Black Stars #13
ZACK WHEAT 1909 T206 #503
SOL WHITE 1978 Laughlin Long Ago Black Stars #22
JOE WILLIAMS 1974 Laughlin Old Time Black Stars #1
TED WILLIAMS 1939 R334 Play Ball #92
1939 V351 Goudey WW Gum #25
1939 R303-A Goudey #47
VIC WILLIS T206
HACK WILSON 1933 Goudey #211
JUD WILSON 1974 Laughlin Old Time Black Stars #12
GEORGE WRIGHT 1872 Warren Studio Red Stockings Cabinets #9
1950 Callahan HOF #78
HARRY WRIGHT 1887 N172 Old Judge #520
CY YOUNG 1909 T206
ROSS YOUNGS 1921 E220 National Caramel #120
<< <i>Are they going to combine with the post war rookies? or are they going to start a new set all together? >>
I'm certain they would keep them as separate sets.
<< <i>Wide Pens is one type of Goudey Premium (Fine Pens is another).
Nick >>
Not entirely true, the R314 "Wide Pens" consists of 5 separate sets (3 by Goudey Gum and 2 by World Wide Gum), while the R313 "Fine Pens" consists of 3 separate sets (1 National Chicle, 2 Wheaties ...aka Gold Metal Foods... Not Gold Metal Flour as many including PSA still falsely call them)
DiMaggio
The Feller, DiMaggio, and Doerr all have cards in the 1937 R314-4 WWG set, but only the Feller and Doerr are "Rookies", .... DiMaggio true rookie (baseball card issued in a pack of gum) is the very tough 1936 V355 World Wide Gum card, or if you include multi player premium cards then you can add the 1936 R313-1 National Chicle (Batting w/ Erickson), or 1936 R314-1 (w/McCarthy), or if you include larger premiums (larger than a postcard) then 1936 R312.
quickly scanning the lists....
as far as the rest of the list, Scot's list from Net54 is the closest IMO, but there are some missing or wrong......
ie some others on Scot's list I see wrong or need additions....
Pete Hills rookie is the 1909 Cabanas card, not the Punch card from 1910
Frank Frisch has 3 different 1920 cards, W519-1, W519-2-1, W519-2-2
Satchel Paige has an Exhibit card that was ONLY issued in 1949 ("AN EXHIBIT CARD" in bottom corner, so its a rookie too, like it or not
Greenberg has 2 cards exclusively from 1934, the very common R320, and the rare and very desired 1934 Annis Furs card (aka Detroit team Issue)
and Cocoa Beach's list is faulty, he doesnt have many early cards and seems to have cards issued well after their rookie years listed, ie way too many R328 US Caramel cards listed as "rookies" when these player have 1 or more cards issued well before 1932/33 (Gehrig, Hafey, Cochrane, Combs, etc. etc.) the list also doesnt include Exhibit cards yet has postcards ie Cobb's Dietsche PCs, and has some old info ie Fellers/Doerr R314-4 World Wide Gum cards being from 1936, that set is really from 1937 (Doerr proves the year cant be 1936), and R315's being form 1928 when they are proved to be from 1929-30 now. scanning it quickly, the list is missing HOFers too, ie Al Lopez
So, unfortunately, this set with pre-war HOF rookies, when it comes to be, will probably not have true rookie cards, but it will be a very popular set along with all the other HOF sets. Just on another note, can you imagine a high grade set with true rookie cards of pre-war HOFers. My lord, I could not even think about the cost, work, time consumption... but I would give major credit to anybody who would take on such a task!!!
<< <i>FKW, you are correct regarding the cards you say are players 1st cards, BUT, it does not appear that you read the entire post. It is easy to determin a players 1st card, that is what I had originally sent PSA in my first list. The problem is only a very small, select amount of collectors would be able to complete this set as the population of some of the regional issues are as low as 0 such as the Cabanas Hill along with others. My list that I posted at the request of the thread author, is my 2nd list that I sent to PSA that was taking into consideration that they are going to use the same post-war players for the 1st half of the set. Remember, my request to PSA Registry was for a "Players HOF Rookie Set" not just a pre-war set. In the post-war set they use player's cards from major sets in many cases, not their 1st cards. They also give you a choice for a few players that have 1st cards in the 1948 Leaf set & the 1949 Bowman set such as Kell, Paige, J. Robinson & Doby.
So, unfortunately, this set with pre-war HOF rookies, when it comes to be, will probably not have true rookie cards, but it will be a very popular set along with all the other HOF sets. Just on another note, can you imagine a high grade set with true rookie cards of pre-war HOFers. My lord, I could not even think about the cost, work, time consumption... but I would give major credit to anybody who would take on such a task!!!
Any word on this set being published?
She immediately responded & said they are still working putting the set together. Once all the cards were chosen, it had to be approved by the manager. She said a set like this takes a little longer than most sets, which I fully understand.
So, I just wanted to update all of you of any new information received.
If it's the true rookie card it should not matter whether the set is difficult or expensive, everyone collects what they can find and afford. To call it a rookie set but dumb it down by including cards that aren't rookies but are easily obtainable is pointless, IMO.
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<< <i>Is the point of this set to showcase the rookie card of each player, or to create a registry set of early cards of HOFers that are easy to obtain?
If it's the true rookie card it should not matter whether the set is difficult or expensive, everyone collects what they can find and afford. To call it a rookie set but dumb it down by including cards that aren't rookies but are easily obtainable is pointless, IMO. >>
I agree with you about affordability, but that doesn't reach several important questions that the collectors would need to work out, including:
Do Cuban or Puerto Rican cards (e.g., Toleteros, '72 P.R. League stickers, Billiken, etc.), count?
Do Canadian cards (e.g., WWG) count? What about OPC issued the same year as a player's Topps rookie card? [This question applies to Topps Venezuelan too.] Special note on Canadian cards - does it matter if the HOF career was Canada-based - i.e., Pat Gillick?
Do minor league cards count?
Do premiums count - single player and/or multi-player? Special note on premiums - what if PSA doesn't currently grade the rookie due to size?
Do postcards count? Special note on postcards - does it matter if an undisputed first card is a HOF postcard (e.g., several Negro League inductees)?
Do team or regional issues count?
Do national food issues (other than caramel cards or Cracker Jack)count?
Do Canadian cards count?
What do we do with multiple basic cards of the player in a set (e.g., Old Judge) - can any be used or do we pick one?
There is also a subject related to affordability that needs to be discussed for this set - what if there is 1 known of a rookie card? I believe the 1893 Just So Jesse Burkett and Cy Young qualify here - and the Burkett would get an Authentic grade, as it has been restored. If either of those cards resides in another company's holder, PSA would be creating a registry spot for something that will quite possibly never exist in a PSA slab (especially if the card ends up in a museum).
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<< <i>Is the point of this set to showcase the rookie card of each player, or to create a registry set of early cards of HOFers that are easy to obtain?
If it's the true rookie card it should not matter whether the set is difficult or expensive, everyone collects what they can find and afford. To call it a rookie set but dumb it down by including cards that aren't rookies but are easily obtainable is pointless, IMO. >>
I agree with you about affordability, but that doesn't reach several important questions that the collectors would need to work out, including:
Do Cuban or Puerto Rican cards (e.g., Toleteros, '72 P.R. League stickers, Billiken, etc.), count?
Do Canadian cards (e.g., WWG) count? What about OPC issued the same year as a player's Topps rookie card? [This question applies to Topps Venezuelan too.] Special note on Canadian cards - does it matter if the HOF career was Canada-based - i.e., Pat Gillick?
Do minor league cards count?
Do premiums count - single player and/or multi-player? Special note on premiums - what if PSA doesn't currently grade the rookie due to size?
Do postcards count? Special note on postcards - does it matter if an undisputed first card is a HOF postcard (e.g., several Negro League inductees)?
Do team or regional issues count?
Do national food issues (other than caramel cards or Cracker Jack)count?
Do Canadian cards count?
What do we do with multiple basic cards of the player in a set (e.g., Old Judge) - can any be used or do we pick one?
There is also a subject related to affordability that needs to be discussed for this set - what if there is 1 known of a rookie card? I believe the 1893 Just So Jesse Burkett and Cy Young qualify here - and the Burkett would get an Authentic grade, as it has been restored. If either of those cards resides in another company's holder, PSA would be creating a registry spot for something that will quite possibly never exist in a PSA slab (especially if the card ends up in a museum).
Nick >>
Yes, Nick is 100% correct here. It's not as simple as the Post War HOF Rookie set, even though they have some cards that are not true rookies. There are some true rookies that the population is so low, the set just would not be feasable, at any grade. As Nick pointed out, there are so many decissions to be made and that's what is taking so long. So, ideally, I would agree it should be only rookies, it probably will not be.
Also, remember, what the Registry is working on is a Players HOF Rookie Set, not a Pre War Players HOF Rookie set. So since they are going to use the same composition for the post war players side as they do in the Post War Players Rookie Set, the pre war side would in some way need to match, meaning in the Post War Rookie Set they only use major manafactures cards, which sometimes are not really their true rookie card!
Hopefully, we will hear something soon and any time I am contacted regarding this matter, I will pass the info along in this thread.
Do Canadian cards (e.g., WWG) count? What about OPC issued the same year as a player's Topps rookie card? [This question applies to Topps Venezuelan too.] Special note on Canadian cards - does it matter if the HOF career was Canada-based - i.e., Pat Gillick? First issued card of the player, no matter where and how, as long as it's a card.
Do minor league cards count? Nope, first issued card once they hit the bigs. Or Negro League.
Do premiums count - single player and/or multi-player? Special note on premiums - what if PSA doesn't currently grade the rookie due to size? If PSA doesn't grade it how does it get listed on the registry. First issued card that PSA grades.
Do postcards count? Special note on postcards - does it matter if an undisputed first card is a HOF postcard (e.g., several Negro League inductees)? Postcards aren't cards!
Do team or regional issues count? Yup. '41 Cards team issue Slaughter is the first issued card.
Do national food issues (other than caramel cards or Cracker Jack)count? Yes, Red Hearts, Wilson Franks, Tango Eggs.
Do Canadian cards count? see question #2
What do we do with multiple basic cards of the player in a set (e.g., Old Judge) - can any be used or do we pick one? If they were issued the same year it should be any of them.
I believe the 1893 Just So Jesse Burkett and Cy Young qualify here - and the Burkett would get an Authentic grade, as it has been restored. A Just So Burkett doesn't exist as issued- it was put together from parts of other cards.
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<< <i>Do Cuban or Puerto Rican cards (e.g., Toleteros, '72 P.R. League stickers, Billiken, etc.), count? Absolutely.
Do Canadian cards (e.g., WWG) count? What about OPC issued the same year as a player's Topps rookie card? [This question applies to Topps Venezuelan too.] Special note on Canadian cards - does it matter if the HOF career was Canada-based - i.e., Pat Gillick? First issued card of the player, no matter where and how, as long as it's a card.
Do minor league cards count? Nope, first issued card once they hit the bigs. Or Negro League.
Do premiums count - single player and/or multi-player? Special note on premiums - what if PSA doesn't currently grade the rookie due to size? If PSA doesn't grade it how does it get listed on the registry. First issued card that PSA grades.
Do postcards count? Special note on postcards - does it matter if an undisputed first card is a HOF postcard (e.g., several Negro League inductees)? Postcards aren't cards!
Do team or regional issues count? Yup. '41 Cards team issue Slaughter is the first issued card.
Do national food issues (other than caramel cards or Cracker Jack)count? Yes, Red Hearts, Wilson Franks, Tango Eggs.
Do Canadian cards count? see question #2
What do we do with multiple basic cards of the player in a set (e.g., Old Judge) - can any be used or do we pick one? If they were issued the same year it should be any of them.
I believe the 1893 Just So Jesse Burkett and Cy Young qualify here - and the Burkett would get an Authentic grade, as it has been restored. A Just So Burkett doesn't exist as issued- it was put together from parts of other cards. >>
I agree with you on some of the responses and disagree with you on others. I'm torn on the Cuban/Puerto Rican cards - I like using them for Negro Leaguers who don't have other career-contemporary cards, but I don't want to use them for Schmidt and Gossage (1972 Puerto Rican League stickers), though they can't be called minor league cards, as both had made the majors during 1972. There has been a consensus for postwar HOF rookie cards that this goes against.
The answers you give are much more appealing IMO for pre-WWII players, where there has been no consensus to "go with the Topps rookie" than to more modern HOFers. There are a lot of HOFers who have an OPC card or food/regional/team issue that is more valuable in PSA 8 grade than their generally recognized Topps rookie, and a fair number who have a Topps Venezuelan that blows the others out of the water. Most people will not like making that switch. [Value aside, Ryne Sandberg deserves better than to have the words Red Lobster attached to his rookie card.]
For postcards, why are they not cards when large-size premiums are? Also, for guys like Lee MacPhail and several Negro Leaguers who had no previous cards, IMO the HOF postcard is a better collectible than subsequently issued cards.
The second Canadian, BTW, was supposed to be Japanese (anticipating the induction of Ichiro). I'm guessing you're a Yes there.
The Burkett sits in a PSA AUTHENTIC holder, unless whoever bought it at a ML auction took it out. Are you a yes or a no on including it in this set?
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This HOFCS requirements are currently (per PSA site): This set contains all Hall of Fame players, managers, and executives for whom cards have been produced. List only cards within the date range posted for each player, manager, or executive. Please review the set composition for details.
As opposed to requiring any card within the date range the agreed upon rookie card would be needed. You all raise valid points and choosing which issue should be classified as the "rookie" but maybe PSA could help with that...
I think this would be a great thing to try and develop. Appreciate all the feedback guys.
Personally, I like the composition but I know there will be plenty of debate.
As a HOF collector, I appreciate the effort -- but see many inconsistencies.
You can debate whether or not the composite should use a 1987 Fleer Barry Larkin vs. a 1987 Topps but I see many players where the card in the composite is clearly not the player's rookie card.
My 2 cents.
Scott
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<< <i>Interesting. Just gave the composite a quick glance. One that really seemed off the wall to me was the 1933 Goudey Lajoie...as a rookie card?? Someone help me understand that selection. >>
They also have the following cards in the set:
1933 Goudey George Davis
1961 Topps Jack Chesbro
1971 Topps Frank Baker
1983 Topps George Wright
All four of these HOFers, in addition to Lajoie, are in T206. The 1971 Topps Frank Baker isn't even the hall of famer. It's another player named Frank Baker who played in the 1970s. Additionally, the George Davis in 1933 Goudey is another George Davis who is a completely different player from the George Davis from T206 who's in the HOF. Also, the George Wright in 1983 Topps is some Texas Rangers outfielder; no where close to being the HOF George Wright from 100 years earlier.
Steve
Scott, the reason they use the 1987 Fleer Larkin instead of Topps or Donruss is because that is the card that was in the already established Post War HOF Rookies.
As we had discussed over & over in this thread before, there was much debate on which cards to use. It appears that PSA has gone as they did with the Post War HOF Rookie set, meaning major manafactures. If you went with the true, first rookie card, too many of these would be almost not obtainable. I'm not 100% happy with their selection, but I would not have been 100% happy with a true, first card rookie either.
For those of you that really do not like the composition, let me ask you a question:
Do you agree with the Post War HOF Rookie set composition?
Because if you do, this is on the same line. There are about 10 cards in that set that are not true, first rookie cards.
There is also a thread going on in the SC&M forum for those interested on this topic.
<< <i>Is the point of this set to showcase the rookie card of each player, or to create a registry set of early cards of HOFers that are easy to obtain? >>
It appears to be the latter. Shocking that this list was approved.
<< <i>Mike, what 10 or so cards in the post war set do you not agree with? >>
It's not really that I don't agree with them for being in the composition, it's just that they were printed before their assigned rookie card. For example, here are a few:
Hal Newhouser has : 1939 W462 #58 / 1940 Michigan Sport Service #16 / 1947 W602 Sports Exchange Mini #61
Jackie Robinson has : 1947 Bond Bread set
George Kell has a 1947 Tip Top Bread
Stan Musial has : 1946 Propagandas Montell #64 / 1947 Bond Bread / 1947 W 602
Ralph Kiner, Yogi Berra & Warren Spahn all have 1947 cards from some of the above sets.
I would completely understand why a person would not want to pursue this set. There is no doubt, these are not all rookies, and in some cases like the Babe Ruth, not even close. I would not say this is a poorman's rookie set, but a true rookie set, as I have stated before, would be extreamly difficult, if not impossible.
As I do not agree with the Ruth selection, I can see why they did not take the 1916 M101-5, as between the 2 variations, there are only 24 and I do not have to say what they go for.
Also, with the Post War HOF Rookie set, they give you an option on 7 cards, between their 1948 Leafs & their 1949 Bowmans.
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<< <i>Is the point of this set to showcase the rookie card of each player, or to create a registry set of early cards of HOFers that are easy to obtain? >>
It appears to be the latter. Shocking that this list was approved. >>
I agree it looks like this was a strong factor, but then how do you explain them picking the 1933 Goudey Nap Lajoie instead of his T206 card(s).
PSA did go with the E95 Eddie Plank and Honus Wagner cards instead of their respective T206s.
Steve
<< <i>how do you explain them picking the 1933 Goudey Nap Lajoie instead of his T206 card(s).
PSA did go with the E95 Eddie Plank and Honus Wagner cards instead of their respective T206s. >>
I can't explain it. Nothing about this makes sense. In my opinion, Joe needs to step in and give this set a complete overhaul.
At first glance, I notice a bunch of other problems with the set composition besides those already mentioned, including Chief Bender (should be his E107 card rather than T206), lots of guys whose first card is an Exhibit card (if they use it for Stan Coveleski, it should be accepted for everyone), Elmer Flick and Willard Brown- they don't even have any cards in this set, Red Faber (should be M101 rather than Goudey), Babe Ruth (personally, I'd go with M101 rather than Baltimore News as a major league card, but it's certainly not Goudey), Joe Kelley (besides all the possible cards before his T206, they misspelled his name), Herb Pennock (National Caramel is used for someone else, so there's no reason not to use it for him too), something needs to be decided about how to treat D and W cards, Hilton Smith (if Toleteros is accepted for Josh Gibson, it should be accepted for him too), and Goose Goslin (E120 already works for other guys, so it should be accepted for him too).
Team issues, postcards, etc. all are more contentious areas for this set. I'm not sure what is the majority opinion of collectors here.
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We need to add to the list; Elmer Flick & Willard Brown. Flick has a T 206 & Brown has a 1950-51 Toleteros.
Next: The 1933 George Davis is not a HOFer. He needs to be replaced with George Davis whom has a T 206.
1983 George Wright is not a HOFer, He needs to be replaced with George Wright whom has a 1950 Callahan #78.
1971 Frank Baker is not a HOFer, He needs to be replaced with Frank Home Run Baker whom has a T 206.
I will add a couple of real obvious ones for at least earlier cards:
1961 Jack Chesbo to a T 206
1933 Nap Lajoie to a T 206
Besides debated rookie or not rookie selections, do you see anymore wrong player errors?
I am also thinking it might be better to rename the set, there is no doubt, these are not all rookie cards or first cards of players.
Maybe something like "Hall of Fame Players Key Early Card Set". Any other ideas on that?
As a '74 Laughlin Old Time Black Stars collector I'm thrilled to see many of these Negro Leaguers' RCs acknowledged in a PSA HOF rookie registry.
Since they are included in this set, here's a few more errors I'd like to see corrected:
1980-02 PEREZ-STEELE HALL OF FAME POSTCARDS BILL FOSTER
should be
1974 LAUGHLIN OLD-TIME BLACK STARS #5 WILLIE FOSTER (the same HOFer but PSA was confused by Laughlin calling him "Willie" instead of "Bill")
1980-02 PEREZ-STEELE HALL OF FAME POSTCARDS TURKEY STEARNES
should be
1978 LAUGHLIN LONG AGO BLACK STARS #4 NORMAN STEARNES (again PSA confused by the different 1st name, but they are same player)
1981 HALL OF FAME METALLIC PLAQUE CARDS POP LLOYD
should be
1974 LAUGHLIN OLD-TIME BLACK STARS #35 JOHN HENRY LLOYD (once again...you get the idea)
finally Andrew "Rube" Foster (elected by the Veterans Committee in 1981) was left out of the set, even though he's in the '74 Laughlin set too:
1974 LAUGHLIN OLD-TIME BLACK STARS #35 RUBE FOSTER
Thanks!
It has been about 2 weeks, I have not heard back yet. As soon as I hear anything, I will post.
Once that is fixed, I will work on some of the obvious rookie card mistakes that many of you have mentioned.
I can see this is going to be a slow process but I hope we can atleast make some of the major changes soon.
The basic errors have been fixed and the name has changed.
The new name is "HOF Players Restricted Set"
The good news is that with the new title, it takes away any debate on right or wrong rookie cards.
The bad news is that it really isn't a all rookie card set.
Personally, I think it will be a fun & great investment group of cards to collect, so I am all in!
Thanks!
Shaun
<< <i>Just registered mine yesterday, looks like another fun mega-set to pursue! Thanks Mike for constructing it! >>
Your welcome, It appears this set is right in your wheel house with the T206's, Goudeys, Post War Rookies and even the Laughlins. The next few years will be fun putting this set together, some great cards involved. You are off to a great start, let's see if you can complete it!