Vintage basketball card prices
JasonM32
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In talking with a lot of younger fans it's become obvious to me that they think Michael Jordan invented the game of basketball. Most of them have little knowledge or interest in anything other than current guys like Lebron or Durant. I've also noticed that raw vintage basketball cards and cards graded psa 8 and lower are very cheap on ebay. What do you all think this means for the future? What are the next generaton of card collectors going to collect? Is the hobby dying or is it just the lockout and a weak economy causing prices to temporarily dip?
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It will only bring interest to the entire sport. If basketball becomes popular then the whole market will thrive.
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Perhaps it's the Twitter/Facebook/Hip Hop culture the NBA caters to but it appears most basketball fans have little interest in anything pre Jordan. Even contemporaries of Mike are undervalued. Star and Fleer Olajuwon, Ewing, Isiah, Dominique and Drexler cards are all relatively inexpensive. Heck, look no further than a Bird/Magic Rookie for one of the most undervalued cards in the hobby.
I won't complain though. I'll keep grabbing some of my favorite players cards for peanuts. Bernard in a PSA 9 for less than a movie ticket and a popcorn?? Sign me up.
Maybe one day NBA fans will look back and understand how good guys like Frazier, Archibald and Havlicek. My guess is they wont.
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<< <i>I have been tempted to start a thread on this topic many times. Every major sport seems to be experiencing an explosion in vintage card prices/interest except basketball. The prices for some great vintage basketball rookie cards is laughable. A quick run on ebay and you can score an Alex English RC PSA 8 for $12, a Bernard King PSA 9 for $25 (which I just purchased thanks to this damn topic!) or a Gail Goodrich PSA 7 for under $50. These were top flight players and you can buy them for next to nothing.
Perhaps it's the Twitter/Facebook/Hip Hop culture the NBA caters to but it appears most basketball fans have little interest in anything pre Jordan. Even contemporaries of Mike are undervalued. Star and Fleer Olajuwon, Ewing, Isiah, Dominique and Drexler cards are all relatively inexpensive. Heck, look no further than a Bird/Magic Rookie for one of the most undervalued cards in the hobby.
I won't complain though. I'll keep grabbing some of my favorite players cards for peanuts. Bernard in a PSA 9 for less than a movie ticket and a popcorn?? Sign me up.
Maybe one day NBA fans will look back and understand how good guys like Frazier, Archibald and Havlicek. My guess is they wont. >>
See....this is what I am talking about!! This is the ENEMY!!!!!! CHEAPSKATE BARGAIN AUCTION HUNTING THIEVES I SAY !!!!!!! BIN'S TO THE RESCUE!!!!!!!!!!! chaz
<< <i>But what if the next generation doesnt buy BINs chaz? >>
Not buy??? Are you kidding??? Can't live without my PSA graded collections and believe me the next generation will be the same way!!!! Look at all the sellouts for Baseball, Football etc. These sports advertise themselves!!! chaz
the demand for PSA graded cards always fluctuates depending on who's building the sets......when the market runs out of high profile buyers willing to overspend, it becomes a collector's market.
with the obvious exceptions of popular RC's, HOFers and low pops, most of the vintage basketball remains affordable enough to be collected, so i'd be more worried when those Bernard King or Alex English rookies start zooming up the chute in price.
Luckily the registry addicts haven't driven these to insane levels like we see with some 70's baseball sets.
<< <i>it takes a special breed to appreciate the vintage hoops, my friend......not everyone is cut out for hoarding pictures of tall dudes in tight short shorts.
With their shirts on backwards too........
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<< <i>Actually it was a BIN for the Bernard and BINs I referenced for every card mentioned. My post was more of a statement on the current state of vintage basketball. I'm sorry, should I contact the seller and ask if he can raise the BIN? Or perhaps I should just Paypal gift some more money. >>
Those dopes who use BIN's to sell cheap to you CHEAP SKATE BIN BARGAIN HUNTERS are either broke or don't know what the hell they are doing. Check VCP for a card in BIN's and find the highest selling one over the last couple of years....set your price high ....and just wait out the CHEAP SKATE BIN/AUCTION BARGAIN HUNTERS and get your price or close to it!!!!! chaz
When a thread is discussing how vintage basketball is undervalued and someone highlights examples, jumping in with comments calling people cheap skates shows a serious lack of reading comprehension. If you want to join the discussion in a productive way, great. If not there are plenty of other threads you can derail.
<< <i>I'm enjoying chaz's comments. >>
Well, they ARE very well-rehearsed, that's for sure.
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Not buy??? Are you kidding??? Can't live without my PSA graded collections and believe me the next generation will be the same way!!!! Look at all the sellouts for Baseball, Football etc. These sports advertise themselves!!! chaz
When I said that I was joking bc you completely dodged the OPs question. A strong market will sell well via auctions or BINs not just one.
And it does look like nobody is buying the vintage basketball at the moment which is what the OP was wondering about. I dont think making Overprice BINs in a dead/empty market will help anything.
Vintage BK is starting to look worse than Hockey. But then again there are only like 10 sets.
<< <i>Chaz-People like you make these forums a sad place. You sound foolish. Take your own advice and check the VCP. Avg on the King is $21. Last time I checked $25 > $21. So much for bargain hunting there.
When a thread is discussing how vintage basketball is undervalued and someone highlights examples, jumping in with comments calling people cheap skates shows a serious lack of reading comprehension. If you want to join the discussion in a productive way, great. If not there are plenty of other threads you can derail. >>
What NEWBIE ??????? You got to be on here awhile son before you go talkin' trash bohy. chaz
<< <i>< But what if the next generation doesnt buy BINs chaz? >>
Not buy??? Are you kidding??? Can't live without my PSA graded collections and believe me the next generation will be the same way!!!! Look at all the sellouts for Baseball, Football etc. These sports advertise themselves!!! chaz
When I said that I was joking bc you completely dodged the OPs question. A strong market will sell well via auctions or BINs not just one.
And it does look like nobody is buying the vintage basketball at the moment which is what the OP was wondering about. I dont think making Overprice BINs in a dead/empty market will help anything.
Vintage BK is starting to look worse than Hockey. But then again there are only like 10 sets. >>
Nah, just hang in there and wait out the CHEAP SKATE BIN/AUCTION THIEVES AND IT WILL TURN AROUND!!!! chaz
Also 20.00 today might be better used today than say 2 years from now when the card sells for 25-30.00
Its easy to say just wait.
<< <i>What NEWBIE ??????? You got to be on here awhile son before you go talkin' trash bohy. chaz >>
Cyber hazing?
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I've been tempted to put together some high grade 71-73/74 sets. Mostly from interest in the players (phil jackson, dr j, kareem) and because they seem so cheap. There were some gem mint 71 topps cards recently auctioned....I think rick barry was $2,000? And a psa 10 malone rookie sold for $1,500.
-The problem with the late 70's sets,
Low amount of cards in a set. Only 132. Far lower than football or baseball, and they are easy to pull in high grades.
I think weak design. 78/79 is terrible, and I'm a fan of basketball.
I don't think late 70's cards have the condition issues baseball cards had...i.e. the smudge on a molitor rookie, or centering on an ozzie smith.
Do any 70's cards have big condition issues?
-69/70 is probably the best buy now. Tons of hall of fame rookies. No unopened product or vending to push prices higher. Frazier, Monroe, DeBusschere all seem really cheap in psa 9. It's funny how you can buy psa 9 rookies cheaper than a 90's Jordan insert. Is that out of whack?
73/74 and 74/75 packs also seem like a good buy. The psa 10's of the major 70's rookies seem low.
<< <i>Interesting.
I've been tempted to put together some high grade 71-73/74 sets. Mostly from interest in the players (phil jackson, dr j, kareem) and because they seem so cheap. There were some gem mint 71 topps cards recently auctioned....I think rick barry was $2,000? And a psa 10 malone rookie sold for $1,500.
-The problem with the late 70's sets,
Low amount of cards in a set. Only 132. Far lower than football or baseball, and they are easy to pull in high grades.
I think weak design. 78/79 is terrible, and I'm a fan of basketball.
I don't think late 70's cards have the condition issues baseball cards had...i.e. the smudge on a molitor rookie, or centering on an ozzie smith.
Do any 70's cards have big condition issues?
-69/70 is probably the best buy now. Tons of hall of fame rookies. No unopened product or vending to push prices higher. Frazier, Monroe, DeBusschere all seem really cheap in psa 9. It's funny how you can buy psa 9 rookies cheaper than a 90's Jordan insert. Is that out of whack?
73/74 and 74/75 packs also seem like a good buy. The psa 10's of the major 70's rookies seem low. >>
I think you highlighted some great factors contributing to the lower value/price of vintage bball. The 90's Jordan insert craze goes back to the OP about how fans regard MJ. Take into account that a lot of guys in their 30s now have disposable income and grew up ripping packs in the 90s in search of these cards and its easy to see why they are climbing in price. The NBA really gained it popularity in the 80s and 90s so many of the big time guys from the 70s never had the following that 70s baseball stars such as Brett, Winfield, Ryan, Yount, Rose etc had. Nostalgia plays a huge factor in what people collect and spend the big buck on. Many more people have memories of the baseball greats from eras past than they do NBA stars from the 70's and earlier.
Big guns like Chamberlain, Russell, Cousy and West will always fetch high dollars because their names are the few that all fans know while other greats with lesser known names get forgotten by most collectors.
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I think you highlighted some great factors contributing to the lower value/price of vintage bball. The 90's Jordan insert craze goes back to the OP about how fans regard MJ. Take into account that a lot of guys in their 30s now have disposable income and grew up ripping packs in the 90s in search of these cards and its easy to see why they are climbing in price. The NBA really gained it popularity in the 80s and 90s so many of the big time guys from the 70s never had the following that 70s baseball stars such as Brett, Winfield, Ryan, Yount, Rose etc had. Nostalgia plays a huge factor in what people collect and spend the big buck on. Many more people have memories of the baseball greats from eras past than they do NBA stars from the 70's and earlier.
Big guns like Chamberlain, Russell, Cousy and West will always fetch high dollars because their names are the few that all fans know while other greats with lesser known names get forgotten by most collectors. >>
Agree - I think nostaligia does play a key part here. I was an avid collector of BB and FB back in the early 70's, but the only BKB cards I ever saw at the time came as a throw-in from a friend. Just never crossed my mind to collect them back them, so it's a bit difficult to work up a nostalgia-based reason to collect them now.
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I think you highlighted some great factors contributing to the lower value/price of vintage bball. The 90's Jordan insert craze goes back to the OP about how fans regard MJ. Take into account that a lot of guys in their 30s now have disposable income and grew up ripping packs in the 90s in search of these cards and its easy to see why they are climbing in price. The NBA really gained it popularity in the 80s and 90s so many of the big time guys from the 70s never had the following that 70s baseball stars such as Brett, Winfield, Ryan, Yount, Rose etc had. Nostalgia plays a huge factor in what people collect and spend the big buck on. Many more people have memories of the baseball greats from eras past than they do NBA stars from the 70's and earlier.
Big guns like Chamberlain, Russell, Cousy and West will always fetch high dollars because their names are the few that all fans know while other greats with lesser known names get forgotten by most collectors. >>
That's true about the nostalgia. The NBA just didn't have much popularity in the 70's. Also, maybe people are forgetting, some of the stars from the 70's played in small market teams....i.e. walton on the blazers, george gervin san antonio, etc.
I can't think of many big condition issues with 70's cards. The only ones that come to mind...
75/76 Julius Erving, always off centered.
76/77 being so large.
73/74 some print issues.
71/72 centering.
When I was in highschool in the 90's, I thought the coaching cards from the 70's were cool, like Pat Riley. Or George Karl's 74/75 rookie. Phil Jackson. It was interesting to see them from their youth. It seems like no subsets pre 1980 have ever caught on.