What "appears" to you is not necessarily true. Although I already discussed the matter in the original post, which there is a high likelihood that you didn't read or else you wouldn't have posted this proposition. Or there is a chance that the sentence was not comprehended.
I've already stated that I am selling these coins as raw because they have been slabbed by an lesser known (or unknown) grading company. Therefore, IN EFFECT, the grade that the company has assigned to these pieces has little effect on the value of These pieces have been graded MS-68 and MS-69, which obviously they are not, and which is why I did not post the information, as it has nothing to do with the transaction.
However, you then go on to suggest that I am withholding the grade on the slab for "personal gain." However, I clearly mentioned that I am selling the pieces as raw. And I have stated the reason for doing so. And I have reduced the price of both pieces a total of 7 times to a current price that is LESS than what would be asked by anyone else with pieces in similar condition.
So at this point I am going to request that you provide more information in regards to the process you took to formulate the opinion that I took photographs in order to achieve "personal gain." Please also provide your detailed definition of "personal gain." It can mean many things, and we cannot possibly discuss this until I know the context of which you are speaking. I am looking to exchange these pieces for the prices stated. There should be little or no personal gain for either party in this transaction. One should be rendering goods, and the other should be rendering monetary funds equal to the value of the goods. If anything, I have sided with caution, and I have adjusted the prices so that the OTHER PARTY IS THE ONE OBTAINING PERSONAL GAIN BY RECEIVING GOODS VALUED AT LESS THAN THE MONETARY FUNDS IN WHICH THEY ARE EXCHANGING THEM FOR.
Using market data (prices, dates etc.) please show how the coins I am selling (and the prices which I am selling them at) offer the possibility that I am obtaining what you call a "personal gain." Do not search for anectodal information, provide a mathematical investigation that can be tested, analyzed, and ultimately verified or refuted. You could alternately delete your post, you could alternately say that you are withholding judgment, or perhaps there is something else you can do.
Your critique of my selling method is more of a REFLECTION OF YOU THAN IT IS ME. There is a theory referred to as Wittgenstein's Ruler, where a ruler is used to measure a table. IF YOU ARE NOT CONFIDENT WITH THE RELIABILITY OF THE RULER, YOU MAY BE USING THE TABLE TO MEASURE THE RULER. I hope everyone here can see the comparison.
<< <i>If you have nothing to hide, show the entire holder... Perhaps the grading party could see something we cannot by your scans.
The holder could say FAKE for all I know.
Most people want an item in their HAND to grade, not by a scan... >>
I don't even know this guy, but are you serious? Give it a break he stated the coins are in a non reputable slab and is selling them as raw with know grade attached. He then states that the holders say ms68 and 69 which is obviously grossly over graded. You need a third party to grade these well then I give it a shoot they are both cleaned AU.
Good luck with selling these Earlyrarecoins, but I think you might do better over on Ebay. Due to the fact that even those these are considered Key dates, they are not rare by any means and trade hands all the time and people are even having a hard time wholesaling these to dealers right now. This forum is populated by a number high caliber of collectors and dealers that know these facts, thats why these are not selling. Otherwise don't let the others here bother you, theres a lot of knowledgeable people here.
<< <i>What "appears" to you is not necessarily true. Although I already discussed the matter in the original post, which there is a high likelihood that you didn't read or else you wouldn't have posted this proposition. Or there is a chance that the sentence was not comprehended.
I've already stated that I am selling these coins as raw because they have been slabbed by an lesser known (or unknown) grading company. Therefore, IN EFFECT, the grade that the company has assigned to these pieces has little effect on the value of These pieces have been graded MS-68 and MS-69, which obviously they are not, and which is why I did not post the information, as it has nothing to do with the transaction.
However, you then go on to suggest that I am withholding the grade on the slab for "personal gain." However, I clearly mentioned that I am selling the pieces as raw. And I have stated the reason for doing so. And I have reduced the price of both pieces a total of 7 times to a current price that is LESS than what would be asked by anyone else with pieces in similar condition.
So at this point I am going to request that you provide more information in regards to the process you took to formulate the opinion that I took photographs in order to achieve "personal gain." Please also provide your detailed definition of "personal gain." It can mean many things, and we cannot possibly discuss this until I know the context of which you are speaking. I am looking to exchange these pieces for the prices stated. There should be little or no personal gain for either party in this transaction. One should be rendering goods, and the other should be rendering monetary funds equal to the value of the goods. If anything, I have sided with caution, and I have adjusted the prices so that the OTHER PARTY IS THE ONE OBTAINING PERSONAL GAIN BY RECEIVING GOODS VALUED AT LESS THAN THE MONETARY FUNDS IN WHICH THEY ARE EXCHANGING THEM FOR.
Using market data (prices, dates etc.) please show how the coins I am selling (and the prices which I am selling them at) offer the possibility that I am obtaining what you call a "personal gain." Do not search for anectodal information, provide a mathematical investigation that can be tested, analyzed, and ultimately verified or refuted. You could alternately delete your post, you could alternately say that you are withholding judgment, or perhaps there is something else you can do.
Your critique of my selling method is more of a REFLECTION OF YOU THAN IT IS ME. There is a theory referred to as Wittgenstein's Ruler, where a ruler is used to measure a table. IF YOU ARE NOT CONFIDENT WITH THE RELIABILITY OF THE RULER, YOU MAY BE USING THE TABLE TO MEASURE THE RULER. I hope everyone here can see the comparison. >>
Dude, this is really an exercise in futility for you. It's REALLY simple. TELL THE GRADE, show the whole holder. Seems you are hiding something by not wishing to reveal the grade, after you specifically say they are graded, in a slab, by A grading company. It could be in a SGS holder (which I think it could be), an old ANACS holder.... why be so secretive???
If you have nothing to hide, maybe embarassed if they are SGS, SO WHAT! You have a MUCH better chance of selling these if you just show the whole holder/tell the grade. That's why you don't want to show the grader/grade, because it's probably SGS. Hey, it is what it is. I sometimes by those SGS coins for my Danscos...sometimes you CAN find a nice coin in one of their holders, npt very often (I actually ripped an MS65 '56 Type B, not attributed, not even sure if they do, AND it came with a '56-D Washie..... cost me all of under $5. Sent the Type B to our hosts-I thought it was a 65 all day long (though SGS had it as an MS70, naturally). AND remember, with it, I got an addtional '56-D which went in my Dansco, both under $5,shipped-I'd say our hosts would have the 'D' no higher than an MS64, but it fit into my Dansco nicely. So, got me a couple hundred coin, and a BU for my Dansco for under $5. You don't find great coins in their holders. You won't sell a coin here without answering simple questions...members here are too way smart, and your unwilingness, it's an even bigger put-off.
My point, to the OP is......just show it, get it over with, because at this rate, you won't sell it here. Sure, you might get offers of less than what you EXPECT, but you might just get offers, if you give a LITTLE info on it....and revealingthe grade/company is the info yo need to give. Remember, it's the grading company that you refuse to show that is going to determine if you get offers. Though, by this time, I don't think there are alot who will want to deal with someone who is unwilling to tell, let alone show, at LEAST what the grade is. If they are in a 'garage' company, or SGS-which is considered one-everything is MS70/PR70, I guess............. SO WHAT. It'll help you in the long run.
Lastly, I HAVE a need in my Dansco for both and considered it, until I saw how unwilling you were to at least give the grade. Why you would hide/not reveal the grade on the slab it's obviously in, well, it's not helping you. If you think you can get the money YOU want for them (I can see a no return policy on this one,and no Paaypal, well that doesn't help). My personal feeling is it's SGS....but, the coins will sell for what the what they sell for. You can dress a pig up, but it's still a pig. Just tell the grade, show the whole slab....you might get an offer, but dont expect PCGS $$ for a third world graded coin. I still believe them to be SGS holders, but I could be wrong. You aren't helping yourself get the cash from the coins by just lowering the price.....you've had to do that because you know what most here know whats what, depending on grading service and assigned grade. You really don't help yourself, by not revealing a graded coin's grade. This isn't the ebay coin forum, where everyone know everything (thats called sarcasm) ........there are too many intelligent members here, and your refusal of revealing anything, well, I wouldnt continue to bump this thread. Jst MHO, not trying to be a jerk, but, I'm just spelling it out for the OP.
You can do what you want, but you won't be seeing much action here...those SGS slabs open just by looking at them. Crack them out, put them in 2X2's, sell' em on ebay...you'll get closer to what you want, you won't get what you want...(especially with the talk about these keys pricing going down).......plus, you'll get it faster than you will here.
edited.....wow, if SGS didn't grade them MS70, they MUST have serious wiping issues.....must be hairlines everywhere. And I do apologize, as I didn't read the updated version where you reveal the grades....but it still may be too late.
My concern is not the holder. I would like clear pictures of the coins with a closeup of the mintmarks. If there were clear pictures with the mintmarks clearly showing, I would seriously consider them
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I have no issues whatsoever with how earlyrarecoins has decided to list these coins. In the very first post he stated they were graded by "one of the lesser dependable grading services" and went on to state, because of that, he was treating them as if they were raw. He believes they have MS details, but have been wiped. My opinion is not as optimistic. His images aren't great, but they clearly show problem coins. Finally, he listed the grades received and they are obviously preposterous grades. You should treat the coins as if they were raw, problem pieces and either pass or play.
This seems foolish of you not to show more pics. People are saying they woud buy if they could see the full holder. Are you here to sell or prove we have to trust you despite your low number of posts ?
Your unwillingness to do such a simple act together with your low number of posts has alerted my suspicions. At this point to regain my trust, I would like to see the full pictures with a left thumb showing (or a current newspaper) as evidence you really have the coins in your possesion.
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Please remember that the prices include free insured USPS shipping.
1932-S: $245
1932-D $445
Remember this includes USPS insured shipping with delivery confirmation.
Now asking $240 and $440 respectively.
Prices include USPS fully insured shipping.
This time they are $225 and $425 respectively. USPS insured shipping is included.
If they do not sell today, I will take some additional photos this afternoon and post them for tomorrow.
Thanks!
Thanks!
Don
www.QualityCurrency.com
I've already stated that I am selling these coins as raw because they have been slabbed by an lesser known (or unknown) grading company. Therefore, IN EFFECT, the grade that the company has assigned to these pieces has little effect on the value of These pieces have been graded MS-68 and MS-69, which obviously they are not, and which is why I did not post the information, as it has nothing to do with the transaction.
However, you then go on to suggest that I am withholding the grade on the slab for "personal gain." However, I clearly mentioned that I am selling the pieces as raw. And I have stated the reason for doing so. And I have reduced the price of both pieces a total of 7 times to a current price that is LESS than what would be asked by anyone else with pieces in similar condition.
So at this point I am going to request that you provide more information in regards to the process you took to formulate the opinion that I took photographs in order to achieve "personal gain." Please also provide your detailed definition of "personal gain." It can mean many things, and we cannot possibly discuss this until I know the context of which you are speaking. I am looking to exchange these pieces for the prices stated. There should be little or no personal gain for either party in this transaction. One should be rendering goods, and the other should be rendering monetary funds equal to the value of the goods. If anything, I have sided with caution, and I have adjusted the prices so that the OTHER PARTY IS THE ONE OBTAINING PERSONAL GAIN BY RECEIVING GOODS VALUED AT LESS THAN THE MONETARY FUNDS IN WHICH THEY ARE EXCHANGING THEM FOR.
Using market data (prices, dates etc.) please show how the coins I am selling (and the prices which I am selling them at) offer the possibility that I am obtaining what you call a "personal gain." Do not search for anectodal information, provide a mathematical investigation that can be tested, analyzed, and ultimately verified or refuted. You could alternately delete your post, you could alternately say that you are withholding judgment, or perhaps there is something else you can do.
Your critique of my selling method is more of a REFLECTION OF YOU THAN IT IS ME. There is a theory referred to as Wittgenstein's Ruler, where a ruler is used to measure a table. IF YOU ARE NOT CONFIDENT WITH THE RELIABILITY OF THE RULER, YOU MAY BE USING THE TABLE TO MEASURE THE RULER. I hope everyone here can see the comparison.
Don
www.QualityCurrency.com
<< <i>If you have nothing to hide, show the entire holder... Perhaps the grading party could see something we cannot by your scans.
The holder could say FAKE for all I know.
Most people want an item in their HAND to grade, not by a scan... >>
I don't even know this guy, but are you serious? Give it a break he stated the coins are in a non reputable slab and is selling them as raw with know grade attached. He then states that the holders say ms68 and 69 which is obviously grossly over graded. You need a third party to grade these well then I give it a shoot they are both cleaned AU.
Good luck with selling these Earlyrarecoins, but I think you might do better over on Ebay. Due to the fact that even those these are considered Key dates, they are not rare by any means and trade hands all the time and people are even having a hard time wholesaling these to dealers right now. This forum is populated by a number high caliber of collectors and dealers that know these facts, thats why these are not selling. Otherwise don't let the others here bother you, theres a lot of knowledgeable people here.
type2,CCHunter.
I would be more concerned if genuine.
<< <i>What "appears" to you is not necessarily true. Although I already discussed the matter in the original post, which there is a high likelihood that you didn't read or else you wouldn't have posted this proposition. Or there is a chance that the sentence was not comprehended.
I've already stated that I am selling these coins as raw because they have been slabbed by an lesser known (or unknown) grading company. Therefore, IN EFFECT, the grade that the company has assigned to these pieces has little effect on the value of These pieces have been graded MS-68 and MS-69, which obviously they are not, and which is why I did not post the information, as it has nothing to do with the transaction.
However, you then go on to suggest that I am withholding the grade on the slab for "personal gain." However, I clearly mentioned that I am selling the pieces as raw. And I have stated the reason for doing so. And I have reduced the price of both pieces a total of 7 times to a current price that is LESS than what would be asked by anyone else with pieces in similar condition.
So at this point I am going to request that you provide more information in regards to the process you took to formulate the opinion that I took photographs in order to achieve "personal gain." Please also provide your detailed definition of "personal gain." It can mean many things, and we cannot possibly discuss this until I know the context of which you are speaking. I am looking to exchange these pieces for the prices stated. There should be little or no personal gain for either party in this transaction. One should be rendering goods, and the other should be rendering monetary funds equal to the value of the goods. If anything, I have sided with caution, and I have adjusted the prices so that the OTHER PARTY IS THE ONE OBTAINING PERSONAL GAIN BY RECEIVING GOODS VALUED AT LESS THAN THE MONETARY FUNDS IN WHICH THEY ARE EXCHANGING THEM FOR.
Using market data (prices, dates etc.) please show how the coins I am selling (and the prices which I am selling them at) offer the possibility that I am obtaining what you call a "personal gain." Do not search for anectodal information, provide a mathematical investigation that can be tested, analyzed, and ultimately verified or refuted. You could alternately delete your post, you could alternately say that you are withholding judgment, or perhaps there is something else you can do.
Your critique of my selling method is more of a REFLECTION OF YOU THAN IT IS ME. There is a theory referred to as Wittgenstein's Ruler, where a ruler is used to measure a table. IF YOU ARE NOT CONFIDENT WITH THE RELIABILITY OF THE RULER, YOU MAY BE USING THE TABLE TO MEASURE THE RULER. I hope everyone here can see the comparison. >>
Dude, this is really an exercise in futility for you. It's REALLY simple. TELL THE GRADE, show the whole holder. Seems you are hiding something by not wishing to reveal the grade, after you specifically say they are graded, in a slab, by A grading company. It could be in a SGS holder (which I think it could be), an old ANACS holder.... why be so secretive???
If you have nothing to hide, maybe embarassed if they are SGS, SO WHAT! You have a MUCH better chance of selling these if you just show the whole holder/tell the grade. That's why you don't want to show the grader/grade, because it's probably SGS. Hey, it is what it is. I sometimes by those SGS coins for my Danscos...sometimes you CAN find a nice coin in one of their holders, npt very often (I actually ripped an MS65 '56 Type B, not attributed, not even sure if they do, AND it came with a '56-D Washie..... cost me all of under $5. Sent the Type B to our hosts-I thought it was a 65 all day long (though SGS had it as an MS70, naturally). AND remember, with it, I got an addtional '56-D which went in my Dansco, both under $5,shipped-I'd say our hosts would have the 'D' no higher than an MS64, but it fit into my Dansco nicely. So, got me a couple hundred coin, and a BU for my Dansco for under $5. You don't find great coins in their holders. You won't sell a coin here without answering simple questions...members here are too way smart, and your unwilingness, it's an even bigger put-off.
My point, to the OP is......just show it, get it over with, because at this rate, you won't sell it here. Sure, you might get offers of less than what you EXPECT, but you might just get offers, if you give a LITTLE info on it....and revealingthe grade/company is the info yo need to give. Remember, it's the grading company that you refuse to show that is going to determine if you get offers. Though, by this time, I don't think there are alot who will want to deal with someone who is unwilling to tell, let alone show, at LEAST what the grade is. If they are in a 'garage' company, or SGS-which is considered one-everything is MS70/PR70, I guess............. SO WHAT. It'll help you in the long run.
Lastly, I HAVE a need in my Dansco for both and considered it, until I saw how unwilling you were to at least give the grade. Why you would hide/not reveal the grade on the slab it's obviously in, well, it's not helping you. If you think you can get the money YOU want for them (I can see a no return policy on this one,and no Paaypal, well that doesn't help). My personal feeling is it's SGS....but, the coins will sell for what the what they sell for. You can dress a pig up, but it's still a pig. Just tell the grade, show the whole slab....you might get an offer, but dont expect PCGS $$ for a third world graded coin. I still believe them to be SGS holders, but I could be wrong. You aren't helping yourself get the cash from the coins by just lowering the price.....you've had to do that because you know what most here know whats what, depending on grading service and assigned grade. You really don't help yourself, by not revealing a graded coin's grade. This isn't the ebay coin forum, where everyone know everything (thats called sarcasm) ........there are too many intelligent members here, and your refusal of revealing anything, well, I wouldnt continue to bump this thread. Jst MHO, not trying to be a jerk, but, I'm just spelling it out for the OP.
You can do what you want, but you won't be seeing much action here...those SGS slabs open just by looking at them. Crack them out, put them in 2X2's, sell' em on ebay...you'll get closer to what you want, you won't get what you want...(especially with the talk about these keys pricing going down).......plus, you'll get it faster than you will here.
edited.....wow, if SGS didn't grade them MS70, they MUST have serious wiping issues.....must be hairlines everywhere. And I do apologize, as I didn't read the updated version where you reveal the grades....but it still may be too late.
What did u expect? Man up with a full slab shot.
EDIT: We are collectors some are dealers, do the right thing show us the slab.
Not so much as the slab, but some some better pics of the MM.
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I find it appropriate to either buy or pass or send a PM to the seller.
By inappropriate I mean rude.
This.
This seems foolish of you not to show more pics. People are saying they woud
buy if they could see the full holder.
Are you here to sell or prove we have
to trust you despite your low number of posts ?
Your unwillingness to do such a simple act together with your low number of
posts has alerted my suspicions.
At this point to regain my trust, I would like to see the full pictures with a left
thumb showing (or a current newspaper) as evidence you really have the coins in your possesion.
Plenty of high dollar transactions :
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I can understand why.
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Something seems very "smelly" about this and I am not going to bite.