2 1/2 points of upgrade
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Seriously, though, while that's a very cool coin, I don't think I should be able to see the scuffs I see on a web photo for a 66. Are any bidders going into this not going to be aware of the coin's grade history and look at the current grade with arched brow? Of course, since these don't trade often, the jump in grade assigned will probably have less measurable of an effect than if it were a better date Morgan dollar going from 64 to 66.
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The other one does not.
bob
<< <i>Same coin! Extremely identical. No way they can be different. Cool on the two+ point upgrade!
:agree
<< <i>I looked at both and cant find anything that leads me to believe its the same coin
You may want a new monitor.
But also note, it is from a PCGS PR64 to a NGC PR66 slab. Wonder if PCGS would upgrade it today?
They already did
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<< <i>I looked at both and cant find anything that leads me to believe its the same coin
You may want a new monitor.
But also note, it is from a PCGS PR64 to a NGC PR66 slab. Wonder if PCGS would upgrade it today? >>
Guess my iPhone's retina display isn't as good as they say lol. For the record I didn't sign into ha for the better pics.
<< <i>PCGS to NGC .................That's about par! >>
<< <i>PCGS to NGC .................That's about par! >>
It's awesome that you chirp up in threads like this. When the reverse happens and it's posted here you are like my kids were on garbage night. Nowhere to be found. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>PCGS to NGC .................That's about par! >>
Just a tiny amount of research (aided by the OP's second post) would confirm that it was PCGS that upgraded this exact same coin 2.5 points from PR64CAM to PR66DCAM between 6/04 and 3/05.
NGC crossed it AT GRADE for the June Baltimore auction at S-B.
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<< <i>PCGS to NGC .................That's about par! >>
Just a tiny amount of research (aided by the OP's second post) would confirm that it was PCGS that upgraded this exact same coin 2.5 points from PR64CAM to PR66DCAM between 6/04 and 3/05.
NGC crossed it AT GRADE for the June Baltimore auction at S-B. >>
well isnt that just a peach. Thanks dude. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>Different example. The Heritage one has a hit by the star behind Miss Libs head.
The other one does not.
bob
It IS the same coin.
Looks like the coin should be a PR65CAM......
Lets talk about your math as to me this is a 2 point upgrade not 2 1/2 unless your counting MS64 also
<< <i>PCGS to NGC .................That's about par! >>
It seems that PCGS also upgraded it.
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<< <i>PCGS to NGC .................That's about par! >>
It's awesome that you chirp up in threads like this. When the reverse happens and it's posted here you are like my kids were on garbage night. Nowhere to be found. MJ >>
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<< <i>PCGS to NGC .................That's about par! >>
Just a tiny amount of research (aided by the OP's second post) would confirm that it was PCGS that upgraded this exact same coin 2.5 points from PR64CAM to PR66DCAM between 6/04 and 3/05.
NGC crossed it AT GRADE for the June Baltimore auction at S-B. >>
Now now
Are you trying to lower the sugar content of KoolAid ?
I wonder if some responders here will re-respond now that there are more facts on the table
Probably not. And isn't it funny that Friday is garbage collection day....
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<< <i>PCGS to NGC .................That's about par! >>
It seems that PCGS also upgraded it. >>
From the OP's avatar I think he knows a lot more about this coin and the pattern "collecting space" than I do.
I haven't seen this particular piece, but perhaps this is not a grading issue at all. Or, if so, I'd suggest that both services have decided to grade, not the market, but the population. Nothing to do with the registry set concept.
1804 S$1's are TPG-graded based on the population. No matter how contaminated you believe the gradeflation phenomenon to be, these grade out at the TPG's at a hierachical position quite consistent with previous placement in the census long before TPGs.
Physically large size coin. Highest denomination. It's aluminum, quite rare overall as a coinage metal within the pattern universe. Off-metal patterns for gold coin denominations are even more rare.
I'm suggesting a "foundational" value based on a multiplicity of factors.
Auminum pieces were produced in such limited numbers for such a short time that there was essentially no information about storage considerations for that metal. There's nothing that rots like aluminum. No patina of pretty colors. They go immediately to Jail. Corrosion is always terminal. The pictures are scary.
It's not like copper. You can fix copper.
Thus, hard mirrors and DCAM devices are incredibly difficult to locate. I don't mean PR68DCAM Morgan S$1 rare. I mean rare.
On a very primitive level this degree of eye appeal on a coin this large is an eye-popper. Literally. The optical nerve palpably pulsates.
Relative (D)CAMness within the overall population of aluminum patterns of this size and denomination is probably worth not 0.5 pts but as much as 1.5 pts. Maybe 64 suggests way too little for how this coin appears to the more informed eye.
I don't know if it was the intention of the OP to stimulate debate about technical grading. My guess is he knows what he's looking at without a loupe. I don't think any potential owner will have failed to perform due diligence. The holder suggests how good it is for how rare it is.
I'm thinking the holder's quantitatively expressed technical grade is suggesting something else. Underlying foundational rarity in terms of physical size, denomination, metal of production and retention of original production quality for that specific metal.
The grade says SPECIAL when one photo is worth a thousand labels. On this coin marks/lines hardly matter. TPG holder grades are just a shorthand for a tasty stew of the above and other diverse factors.
The essence
Very cool coin. Amusing holder
Surprised this thread has survived this long.
<< <i>Col. Jessup makes some interesting points.
Surprised this thread has survived this long. >>
I concur.
Now where are some of those re-responders ?????
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<< <i>Col. Jessup makes some interesting points.
Surprised this thread has survived this long. >>
I concur.
Now where are some of those re-responders ????? >>
It's trash night I suspect. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>Ill take a NGC 66ucam over a PCGS 64cam any day - if not solely for financial reasons. >>
It went from a PCGS 64CAM in 2004 to a PCGS 66DC in 2005 to a NGC 66 UC presently. See the OP's second reply and link. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......