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In their prime: Gibson or Koufax

TomiTomi Posts: 643 ✭✭✭
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  • 70ToppsFanatic70ToppsFanatic Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭✭
    I vote Koufax. Most dominating left-hander of all time. There are others with more wins, Ks, etc. but
    Koufax was by far the best power lefty ever.


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  • hammeredhammered Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭
    Koufax
    But if I needed only one game, Gibson
  • markj111markj111 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭
    Is this a joke?
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    Jack Morris.
  • pclpadspclpads Posts: 457 ✭✭
    Gibby all day long. With his arms and legs flying and ending half way to the plate when he landed, had to be incredibly intimidating for any batter with that 90+ mph FB coming in. But Koufax probably gets the nod with all those NH's and one hitters. He basically had a 5 year run where he was the best hands down in either league. But he was gone at 31.
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭✭
    Koufax by a landslide. Koufax in his prime may have been the best ever.
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • 70ToppsFanatic70ToppsFanatic Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Koufax by a landslide. Koufax in his prime may have been the best ever. >>



    +1


    Dave
  • Probstein123Probstein123 Posts: 1,281 ✭
    in prime for 1 season: koufax

    in prime for 1 game : gibson
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  • MLRMLEOMLRMLEO Posts: 269
    Interesting question, How many times did they hook up head to head and what was the results. Being a Dodger fan Id go Koufax.
  • brianwintersfanbrianwintersfan Posts: 3,626 ✭✭
    I love Koufax. Plus how well he pitched with a horrible elbow is even more amazing.
  • miconelegacymiconelegacy Posts: 3,052 ✭
    Gibson, Koufax, Marichal

    I'd say Koufax, but there also is Marichal...
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  • AlbertdiditAlbertdidit Posts: 560 ✭✭✭
    in prime for 1 season: koufax

    in prime for 1 game : koufax

    in post season koufax pitched in 8 games 0.95 ERA - gibson 9 games 1.89 ERA
  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,132 ✭✭✭
    I'll admit a limited internet search but it seems as though head to head in their careers Koufax was 4-1 in games both started against each other.
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  • fkwfkw Posts: 1,766 ✭✭
    as a hitter Gibson image

    as a pitcher........not close..... Koufax

    seasons w/ sub 1 WHIP
    Gibson 1 time in 17 years
    Koufax 4 in a row, then retired

    win % .591 to .655 (Koufax was 36-40 after 1st 6 years, yet had a .655 career win %)


    But Id take Pedro in his prime, 1999-2002 facing DH's (6 career sub 1 WHIPs, .687 win %) over both of these guy who got an easy out every 9 batters
  • StarPaxManStarPaxMan Posts: 185 ✭


    << <i>Koufax
    But if I needed only one game, Gibson >>



    Both had the opportunity for that one game in a world series 7th game with only 2 days rest Koufax in 1965 against the Twins and Gibson in 1968 against the tigers,
    Koufax shut-down the twins, and Gibson couldn't handle the Tigers,
    so history says for one game with no rest KOUFAX WINS Gibson LOST
    i actually saw both games live!!
  • NVbaseballNVbaseball Posts: 572
    Gibson had the best single season in history, 1968

    Once Koufax gave up relieving he had the best five to six year run in history

    Starting 50% more games is why Gibson had a better career and was the best pitcher of the generation

    Hard to believe many people see things differently than that (unless they think Pedro Martinez or someone else had the best single season, which would be reasonable)
  • CrazyMind2017CrazyMind2017 Posts: 1,205 ✭
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  • CrazyMind2017CrazyMind2017 Posts: 1,205 ✭


    << <i>Both had the opportunity for that one game in a world series 7th game with only 2 days rest Koufax in 1965 against the Twins and Gibson in 1968 against the tigers,
    Koufax shut-down the twins, and Gibson couldn't handle the Tigers,
    so history says for one game with no rest KOUFAX WINS Gibson LOST
    i actually saw both games live!! >>



    Well then, who is better, Bob Gibson or Mel Stottlemyre? Stuff that happened before 1965 also counts, right?
  • Yankees001Yankees001 Posts: 1,496 ✭
    I vote Gibson, Koufax had a prime? Sandy was good for too short of a time for me to even consider.

    Besides Gibson did have a Career.

    Dave
  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭✭
    Gibson in 1968 was awesome.......Someone could show the freakish Koufax stats home vs away. I believe if I remember correctly...Koufax was unhittable in Dodgers stadium and just like league average on the road.============Stat guys "Help me out".

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  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭


    << <i>Gibson in 1968 was awesome.......Someone could show the freakish Koufax stats home vs away. I believe if I remember correctly...Koufax was unhittable in Dodgers stadium and just like league average on the road.============Stat guys "Help me out".

    Mickey71image >>



    Koufax for his career:

    Split W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF WHIP SO/9 SO/BB
    Home 79 41 .658 2.48 190 149 23 72 26 3 1158.0 836 366 319 104 374 22 1218 10 6 44 4658 1.045 9.5 3.26
    Away 86 46 .652 3.04 207 165 21 65 14 6 1166.1 918 440 394 100 443 26 1178 8 1 43 4839 1.167 9.1 2.66
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  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭✭
    Fairly large ERA difference; but he definitely was not league average on the road. It might have been 1 of the 4 great years he had where the stats had huge road-home differences.
  • StarPaxManStarPaxMan Posts: 185 ✭
    In the 60s N.L.
    # 1 Koufax
    # 2 Marichal
    # 3 maybe Gibson or Drysdale or Carlton
  • 70ToppsFanatic70ToppsFanatic Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭✭
    I need to qualify my original response..

    Koufax on any day except Yom Kippur (on Yom Kippur I'd take Gibson).


    Dave
  • GarabaldiGarabaldi Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Koufax by a landslide. Koufax in his prime may have been the best ever. >>



    Pedro was better in his prime.
  • EskimoDictatorEskimoDictator Posts: 8
    In a fight: Gibson
    To win a game: Koufax
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  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Pedro was better in his prime. >>



    Debatable, but I'm sticking with Koufax. I also think Randy Johnson is waaaaaaaaayyyyyy underrated when it comes to these types of conversations.
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • ToroToro Posts: 1,515
    Koufax cause he playerd for the Dodgers
  • ymareaymarea Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭
    Koufax. And on-a this there can-a be no a-debate.

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