Error experts help needed! Nearly shattered die, planchet flaw, or???

mbogoman

The picture below is of an 1892 S Morgan I picked up recently. I probably should have sent it in under the Error service, but didn't. There are numerous "snaking lines" all over the obverse easily visible in the photo. They don't look like PMD, but look like extended die cracks, except I would expect the edges to be more ragged. That made me think it could possibly be a planchet flaw of some sort. The crackss are only on the obverse. Your opinions would be appreciated. TIA

DorkGirl

It looks like some liquid dried on the surface to me.

rawmorgan

Are the lines raised?

lasvegasteddy

glue???

Broadstruck

<< <i>It looks like some liquid dried on the surface to me. >>

astrorat

Those don't look like die cracks or planchet delaminations. It does look like a dried liquid ... but it is in a PCGS holder. It's not in a GENUINE holder, is it?

messydesk

<< <i>glue??? >>


That's what I'm thinking.

gonzer

Not Mint made.

mbogoman

I think the glue guesses might have hit the nail on the head. In looking at the lines closely under 10X, they don't appear to be raised like a die crack. They're dirty. The substance would have had to have been very thick to have had such a limited flow - a heavy glue would meet that requirement. The state of the metal seems the same on either side of the lines, FWIW.

Thanks, guys...

Next question - if it is glue, is there a safe way to remove it? Would NCS be able to do it? It is a nice AU 92-S otherwise, with good luster on both obv and rev...

Broadstruck

<< <i>Next question - if it is glue, is there a safe way to remove it? Would NCS be able to do it? It is a nice AU 92-S otherwise, with good luster on both obv and rev... >>



Acetone should get it right off... Check to see if PCGS would rectify this for you

Don't go NCS as you might not recognize it when it returns.

johnny9434

<< <i>It looks like some liquid dried on the surface to me. >>

try some acetone

mbogoman

<< <i>Acetone should get it right off... Check to see if PCGS would rectify this for you >>



I would much rather go through PCGS, but I don't believe they offer conservation as a regular service. That's why I mentioned the folks from across the street. I could try an acetone soaking - it appears that the glue is quite old as the coin has collected enough dirt/oil to color the glue lines.

I may be better off just leaving it as is. I had never seen something like this before - all the other glue coins I have seen were obvious and had more residue. This one just has the edges - almost like the high tide line at the beach...

lkeigwin

Save your money and treat it yourself with acetone. It may take a while but it should come off. I would soak it in fresh acetone after the first long bath and then rinse with distilled water once it's all been removed.
Lance.

messydesk

<< <i>I could try an acetone soaking... >>


Just take it out of the slab first.

Cam40

Recently I plucked some old darksiders glued to some corkboard that
was in our attic for the last 3-4 decades.
Anyway, once I soaked those messy coins in dishwashing soap
for a day or two, the glued sides looked much better but, after
further soaking some coins in acetone to sort of finish the job,
some glue stains are just too stubborn. So sometimes the stain will
be etched into the surface and all the acetone dips in the world wont help.