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goldengolden Posts: 9,654 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Check out the Teletrade auction of Sunday May 27,2012 lot 1477. It is an 1805 Quarter in PCGS VF 30. I saw this coin in person at a show in March. It has been pin scratched to make it look like Liberty is smoking a pipe. I think that this coin should have been in a Genuine holder. What do you think? Someone please link the auction.

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    dang, no linky?
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  • michiganboymichiganboy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭
    linky dinky do


    Blow it up real close its just a thin pin scratch of a pipe, I almost thought I had the wrong coin till I did a search and seen it was the only 1805 quarter. Personal Its to bad but was probably funny at the time to someone, I feel the grade has been adjusted to consider the mark and really don't see it be so bad as to not get a low circulated grade considering its early coinage that has a low survival rate.
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  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    And is that more graffiti just to the right of the third star on the left?
    It looks like a, long stem rose?
    Or am I seeing stuff....
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  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it's a shame.

    Tom

  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    I think its kinda cute. And since it appears to have been
    carved at around the time it circulated it adds some whimsy
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  • 1Bustcollector1Bustcollector Posts: 577 ✭✭✭
    Good Eye ya got there Golden...Considering the overall look of the B-2, I would allow a "pin scratch" but, unfortunately this is deliberate. I feel it should not reside in that slab. I must admit, it looks pretty nice. Was it as nice in person?
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  • morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's a good one.
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  • 410a410a Posts: 1,325 ✭
    That is a shame, a really nice coin, should be in a no grade holder.
    reason "graffiti" Thanx for the handy tip on always looking at the coin
    with full enlargement. I would never have seen that "pipe"
    What a shameimage Regards, Michael
  • goldengolden Posts: 9,654 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I missed the pipe at first glance when I saw the coin at the show. Personally I do not want a coin like that in my collection.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,003 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>And is that more graffiti just to the right of the third star on the left?
    It looks like a, long stem rose?
    Or am I seeing stuff....
    image >>


    I don't know that I see what you're seeing, but it looks like there's more graffiti behind the hair ribbons, although that could just be clash marks from the eagle's wing.
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  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think its kinda cute. And since it appears to have been
    carved at around the time it circulated it adds some whimsy
    image >>



    I saw nothing to indicate it was contemporary to the coin. Granted, it is toned over, but other than that, was there anything that I missed that suggested a contemporary engraving?

    Tom

  • BanemorthBanemorth Posts: 986 ✭✭✭
    Don't think it should have graded. That's a shame.
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  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    Sure there's some pinscratches but I don't see anything that makes me think it's obviously deliberate. It doesn't line-up with the mouth (more like the bottom lip) and the pinscratches extend beyond the vertical scratch, which would be the end of the stogie. If someone did it deliberatly they sure didn't do a very good job and they had a very delicate hand to make such fine marks. Just doesn't add-up to graffitti to me. My vote is random pinscratches.

    I think you're all making mountains out of mole hills (blowing the pic up to an enormous size.) The coin is beautiful and has minimal marks for the grade. I agree with PCGS. Just because a scratch just happens to be near the mouth of liberty doesn't mean she's smoking a stogie.
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    But it really does look like she is smoking a pipe. MJ
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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,654 ✭✭✭✭✭


    I think you're all making mountains out of mole hills (blowing the pic up to an enormous size.) The coin is beautiful and has minimal marks for the grade. I agree with PCGS. Just because a scratch just happens to be near the mouth of liberty doesn't mean she's smoking a stogie. >>



    The picture does NOT have to be blown up to enormous size to see the pipe it is easy to see with a 10x loupe.
  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,507 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Acceptable to some maybe...but not me.
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  • pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭
    How does the PCGS guarantee play into this?
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  • Alltheabove76Alltheabove76 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Sure there's some pinscratches but I don't see anything that makes me think it's obviously deliberate. It doesn't line-up with the mouth (more like the bottom lip) and the pinscratches extend beyond the vertical scratch, which would be the end of the stogie. If someone did it deliberatly they sure didn't do a very good job and they had a very delicate hand to make such fine marks. Just doesn't add-up to graffitti to me. My vote is random pinscratches.

    I think you're all making mountains out of mole hills (blowing the pic up to an enormous size.) The coin is beautiful and has minimal marks for the grade. I agree with PCGS. Just because a scratch just happens to be near the mouth of liberty doesn't mean she's smoking a stogie. >>



    Clearly there and was deliberate.
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  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    I re-examined the coin, and I will stick to my original assessment. Perhaps I would decide otherwise if I had the coin in hand.
  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This "smokin" coin could get a gold hologram sticker with a pot leaf on it- from Cannabis Advocate Corporation. image
  • Alltheabove76Alltheabove76 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I re-examined the coin, and I will stick to my original assessment. Perhaps I would decide otherwise if I had the coin in hand. >>



    Its pretty easy to spot even in the pic.

    You really dont see it??

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  • pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I re-examined the coin, and I will stick to my original assessment. Perhaps I would decide otherwise if I had the coin in hand. >>


    You might put a bid in on this coin, you might get something special.
    Paul
  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a pipe to me.
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  • Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    Ohh...a pipe! I could see it being a pipe. That makes more sense to me.
  • USMoneyloverUSMoneylover Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭
    I try to gauge my opinion of a coin regardless of its plastic....if I saw this coin raw it would have to be heavily discounted for me to purchase it....with that said, if the price was right I think the graffiti is interesting and would buy it.
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  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    I guess its one thing to have someone show you a `Liberty smoking`coin
    and but an entirely different thing to discover it in a top-tier graded slab after the fact.


  • kazkaz Posts: 9,179 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Buyback alert?
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the coin is obviously not "worthless", however, it is certainly "worth less" than it would be without the grafitti present.

    A good example of why I don't care for the binary "grade" or "no-grade genuine" policy.

    as it is, either this coin should not be in a graded PCGS holder, or many, many other coins should

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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,654 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1805 Quarter brought $1300 plus the juice last night.The PCGS price guide is $2200. I would have been at $2000 or better if it did not have a problem.
  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    $1495 plus shipping.image
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