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OnedollarnohollarOnedollarnohollar Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
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Well, I guess my photography skills are now good enough to use on someone else's Ebay listing....the seller actually purchased the coin from me about four months ago and has listed it for sale using my watermarked images. According to Ebay there's not much I can do since it's not being used on my current listings, and does it really matter anyway? I guess I should be complimented...haha


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  • AhrensdadAhrensdad Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭
    In that case, congratulations.
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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I always figured that if I buy a coin.......I own the coin and the pic.
  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I always figured that if I buy a coin.......I own the coin and the pic. >>

    Rights to the image belong to the photographer, not whoever buys the coin. Some sellers may not care, but many photographers do.
    Numismatist Ordinaire
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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    "the seller actually purchased the coin from me about four months ago and has listed it for sale using my watermarked images"

    i've always considered the image part of the sale unless a seller indicates differently

    pretty sure a jury would rule as such too

    not real sure about "own"
    but rights to use it for future sale or to display being no expressed future interest in such image is made by photographer of it

    i'm sure an attorney will chime in to correct us who need it here with hopes they include that it is After all left to a jury of 12 (who are clueless too)

    absence of malice and does it apply?
    what form is image now being used...is it used to constitute a harm or gain...pretty sure that applies

    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I always figured that if I buy a coin.......I own the coin and the pic. >>



    You are incorrect.

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    Many Quality coins for sale at http://www.CommonCentsRareCoins.com
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You also own his feedback, it's included with the listing as well. image

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe "own" was not the best word to use. All I am saying is that if I buy a coin and a pic was provided I download it and use it in my Registry Set and feel I have that right. There is not any malice and I figure it is good advertising provided their name is in the pic. Most are not.
  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    i'm in the same boat dimeman

    unless a seller who shot the image for me to "buy the coin with" clearly tells me not to or expresses else wise
    i will continue doing so too

    alot of people shoot better then me
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    IMHO it only becomes unethical to use another photographer's work when done for commercial purposes such as selling the coin.

    The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    derryb - I would have to agree with you there.image
  • coinman23885coinman23885 Posts: 1,126


    << <i>I always figured that if I buy a coin.......I own the coin and the pic. >>



    It's the way that it should be. If the seller doesn't intend to transfer a the images that are included in the listing, then he or she should indicate that.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,938 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I always figured that if I buy a coin.......I own the coin and the pic. >>



    It's the way that it should be. If the seller doesn't intend to transfer a the images that are included in the listing, then he or she should indicate that. >>


    He shouldn't have to, copyright law protected him the moment he published them on the internet. For this reason ebay will remove a "borrowed" photo when brought to their attention by the person that published it in an earlier listing.

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  • TURBOTURBO Posts: 494 ✭✭✭
    Really? Who cares??image
  • bigjpstbigjpst Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I had someone use one of my images before as well. It was one of my 2011 "S" Eagles. His listing was running while my auction was. I sent him an e-mail, no response, so I reported and ebay took it down. I felt a bit flattered by it, but since I always write in my listings" coin in photos, is coin you will receive" I didn't want someone to think I was using stock photos, or stealing someone elses.
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,938 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I had someone use one of my images before as well. It was one of my 2011 "S" Eagles. His listing was running while my auction was. I sent him an e-mail, no response, so I reported and ebay took it down. I felt a bit flattered by it, but since I always write in my listings" coin in photos, is coin you will receive" I didn't want someone to think I was using stock photos, or stealing someone elses. >>


    Can I use your avitar?

    Ebay coin listing policy requires actual pics of the coin being sold. Unfortunately a lot of sellers don't do this and it becomes necessary to first ask if the coin shown is the actual coin being sold. It is always helpful when a seller states "you will receive the actual coin pictured." Hats off to you.

    The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,938 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Really? Who cares??image >>


    Anyone who makes his living as a photographer or a seller who paid a photographer for the picture.

    The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong

  • MM Posts: 363


    << <i>

    << <i>I had someone use one of my images before as well. It was one of my 2011 "S" Eagles. His listing was running while my auction was. I sent him an e-mail, no response, so I reported and ebay took it down. I felt a bit flattered by it, but since I always write in my listings" coin in photos, is coin you will receive" I didn't want someone to think I was using stock photos, or stealing someone elses. >>


    Can I use your avitar?

    Ebay coin listing policy requires actual pics of the coin being sold. Unfortunately a lot of sellers don't do this and it becomes necessary to first ask if the coin shown is the actual coin being sold. It is always helpful when a seller states "you will receive the actual coin pictured." Hats off to you. >>

    Yes, this is interesting because I won an auction of a graded coin showing the certificate number twice in the listing (pictures of slabbed coin) plus it was listed in the description. When coin arrived, it was not the one listed in the auction and not as nice as the picture. I complained and seller said he would refund the coin and the shipping and did. But, he continued to "educate" me via emails that this was acceptable ebay practice. I think not (no disclaimer that this was a stock photo or one "like" in the photo either).
  • OnedollarnohollarOnedollarnohollar Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭✭
    I believe the watermark on a photo implies reserved rights. I'm just a small time seller and not a professional photographer. As I stated before, Ebay will only intervene if the image is

    being used in one of my current listings and another seller's listing simultaneously. Since I sold the coin to this new seller and he chose to use my images there is no remedy from Ebay.

    Hopefully he'll be able to make a sale, then I'll hit him up with my copyright fee...lol image
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ebay will intervene on behalf of completed listings as well. They have done it for me.

    watermark not required for copyright protection.

    The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong

  • droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Rights to the image belong to the photographer, not whoever buys the coin. >>



    This is a correct interpretation of copyright law, though it is exceedingly difficult to enforce. What specific damages would the photographer be able to prove?
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  • JustlookingJustlooking Posts: 2,895 ✭
    I would think a simple email asking, "Hey, can I use your photo if I ever sell the coin?" would do the trick. Who would decline such a request? If the seller no longer owns the coin, why would he (or she) want to retain the rights to the photo?
    Let's try not to get upset.
  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TomB

    is it OK for me to use the photos of the dimes and nickel I recently bought from you?

    if not I will cease and desist from using them at once

    Les image
    LCoopie = Les
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm probably in the minority but my photos come with the coin.
    Lance.
    Coin Photography Services / Everyman Registry set / BHNC #213
  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No
    Majority
    LCoopie = Les
  • UNLVinoUNLVino Posts: 416 ✭
    When I buy a coin, I ask if I can have the photos. If seller says yes, I use them to showcase my coin, if no... Then crappy iPhone pics it is! I can say I haven't had a seller say no, nor have I sold a coin on eBay, so have not used to sell. I do assume the seller owns the pics, either by purchase or by taking on their own.

    Are some saying if I take my collection to a photographer and pay for nice photos, I do not own those to do with as I see fit? Guess apple still owns this iPad. image
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,780 ✭✭✭✭✭
    derryb, Ebay only requires pics of the actual coin on pre 1980 coins. Post 1980 coins can have
    stock pics.

    bobimage
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,938 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>derryb, Ebay only requires pics of the actual coin on pre 1980 coins. Post 1980 coins can have
    stock pics.

    bobimage >>


    their policy requires picture of "actual item being sold" for all coins, both certified and uncertified. If the coin is certified and is dated prior to 1980 then a pic of the back of the slab is also required. This is the only mention of 1980 in their coin policy.

    ebay stamps, currency and coin policy

    The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,780 ✭✭✭✭✭
    derryb, yep you are right. Don't know what I was thinking! Long day!!

    bobimage
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com

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