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Toned Morgan scratches on rev: will it grade? *Grade in*

nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭✭✭
Another eye opening experience after taking photos of some of my coins. In my affection of this toner ( which I've shared here before), I haven't ever really taken a close look at the reverse. I've always gloated over the color on the obverse and failed to look 'under the hood' so to speak.

I took notice of these scratches, abrasions next to the Eagle wing!
Is there any chance that these scratches I've noticed are something like over the top die polish marks? Or, am I just dreaming and hoping for something that's out of the question?

Interesting to note all the die cracks on the rev as well as the filled ( or repunched) mint mark.

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Here are some close ups taken at two different lighting angles. Yet another example of how lighting can alter surface appearances.
Upon closer and closer inspection, it's looking more and more like they aren't scratches after all.......... Sorry to drag all you through my process here...... Perhaps I should have done this analysis before freaking out and posting my photo! On the other hand, maybe it's turned into an educational experience to some degreeimage

MS 63...... image

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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    in the looks like it will grade to me crowd...image
    pretty obv colors
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  • That is a koolaid morgan. Yeah it will grade.
  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think it will
    I don't see an uncirc coin
    How are the rims?
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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,088 ✭✭✭
    I think the scratches (to the left of the left wing) will prevent it from grading.

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  • StaircoinsStaircoins Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭

    Pretty colors, but AU and scratched.

    I'd guess that it should come back in a Gennie holder. Too bad.
  • It looks like a print near the left wing but if that is scratches then I don't see it grading..
  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    are they die polish lines or scratches like from a brillo pad?
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  • WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭
    Are you sure those are scratches and not simply remnants of a fingerprint?
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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    Going from the pics, to me that coin looks clearly uncirculated and I think it would grade.


  • << <i>Going from the pics, to me that coin looks clearly uncirculated and I think it would grade. >>



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  • WindycityWindycity Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Those scratches might be die polish lines... can you get a close up photo and post it here?

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  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭
    The "scratches" look like a light fingerprint in this size of photo. Typically scratches will reflect brighter light since they're dug into the coin, the inverse of what the die cracks are doing. Fingerprints will just look dull, like these lines do.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,231 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think the scratches (to the left of the left wing) will prevent it from grading. >>



    Agree. Looks like someone was scraping something off the coin.

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  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Strange thing is now that I've studied them under various light angles with a 10x loupe, ihey don't look as much like scratches at some angles. They almost look like a continuation of many fine carbon spotty like particules that I see dispersed throughout the rev.

    The coin is definately Unc with bag marks. I'll try and get a high mag photo.

    Just got my Collectors Club packet delivery this morning with vouchers for 8 grades!

    Some contraversial coins going in with my first submission folks!!! Remember the 92-s Morgan which was debatable XF to AU? Lively discussion over that one...
    And the 1928 Peace that REALLY stirred things up with the majority calling it a MS 62-63 and Crypto insisting it was an AU?

    They, and likely this beast will be going out quite soon now.

    Thank you all for your input and comments once again crew!

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  • deltadimemandeltadimeman Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭
    ms63
  • StaircoinsStaircoins Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭

    Your enlarged pics definitely change things. Those 'scratches' now look as if they are part of the toning on the surface, not into the surface - as they would be if they were scratches.

    They certainly could be fingerprint remnants.

  • They are not fingerprint remnants. Thats not what fingerprints look like at least not any i have ever seen.
  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Grade it did....
    At MS 63......Happy too....

    Happy, humble, honored and proud recipient of the “You Suck” award 10/22/2014

  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Right on !!!
    Timbuk3
  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    congrats
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  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,114 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice rainbow!
    Always looking for attractive rim toned Morgan and Peace dollars in PCGS or (older) ANA/ANACS holders!

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  • bestclser1bestclser1 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    Cute coin!image
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