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2 1938-D Buffs....Grades? GRADES REVIELED....

crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,977 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Ya think your good a grading Buffalo Nickel's? What do ya think the grades are on these two? Lets see who gets it right....Joe

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  • TallGuyTallGuy Posts: 122 ✭✭
    66 and 67
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  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm no expert so I'll say 66 then 67

    Steve
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  • richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    Gorgeous and Gorgeous
  • tbarrecatbarreca Posts: 299 ✭
    Definitely pretty nickels, but I'd like to suggest, with all respect, that the first one is scuffed up enough that if it got an MS grade, it was an error.
    Tony Barreca

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,977 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Definitely pretty nickels, but I'd like to suggest, with all respect, that the first one is scuffed up enough that if it got an MS grade, it was an error. >>



    Roller marks....How much does this effect the grade ? Or, does it effect the grade at all?
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,782 ✭✭✭✭✭
    65 & 66 and both are Sweet.
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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not sure on the first one(roller marks).May keep it to 64.
    67 on the other. I would hang my hat in Texas for either oneimage
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,977 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's another I'll bet you can't guess the assigned grade!! Housed in a pcgs rattler....This is a VERY nice Buff.....

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    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just stunningly beautiful!
    Why limit matters of the heart with numbers?image

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,507 ✭✭✭✭✭
    65,66,66?
    "If it's not fun, it's not worth it." - KeyMan64
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Both are likely 66 but the second looks to be the more attractive- even in the same holder coins still need to be looked at

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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67 but i guess the holder says 65.
  • rawmorganrawmorgan Posts: 618 ✭✭✭
    65, 66, 66
  • DeepCoinDeepCoin Posts: 2,781 ✭✭✭
    Not my series, but 66,67,65. I like guessing, but they are truly that, plus some.
    Retired United States Mint guy, now working on an Everyman Type Set.
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,977 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, nobody has it right yet image
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,018 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #1...MS64
    #2...MS65

    #3...MS63

    Jim

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  • BigMooseBigMoose Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭
    #1--NGC 67
    #2--NGC 67
    #3--PCGS 66
    TomT-1794

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  • golfer72golfer72 Posts: 3,588


    << <i>#1...MS64
    #2...MS65

    #3...MS63

    Jim >>

    You grade the bottom one 63? Huh? image
  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would like too know how anyone could grade the last
    one 63?
  • coinman23885coinman23885 Posts: 1,126
    Coin #1 -MS66 (The coin has MS67 surfaces, but I'm subtracting a point for the spots)
    Coin #2 - MS67
    Coin #3 - MS67 by today's standards (I'll guess that it is in a 64-65 rattler).
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,977 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I would like too know how anyone could grade the last
    one 63? >>



    I having way to much fun with this one.....Still NO cigar....Keep em coming.
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,018 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I told you that would stir up some folks, Joe. My bad folks, just kidding with Joe.
    Jim

    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Now don't tell me that coin is a58 LOL.I'm going to hideimage
  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't wanna play no mo image

    Steve
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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't wanna play no mo image

    Steve >>



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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,977 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Buffalo Nickel's are a tough coin to grade, even for the "World Class Graders" ...I love the series and for my money the 65 I'm showing is just as nice if not better than the 67"s---Technically speaking of course.... All are gorgeous and the second 67 I have owned for more years than I can remember. The Buff with the roller marks I just purchased not to long ago off e-bay with the worst image you'll ever see from a seller . It was a new listing with a buy it now price of $120.00 ....It was listed on the bay for about 45 minutes with 3 offers image I didn't offer, I purchased it and never looked back, it an amazing Buff with great eye appeal. Yep, roller marks and they don't bother me a bit, in fact I like em. Thanks to all for playing along and eyeballing my Buffs over the years. Your all a fun group. Take care....Joe


    Edited to say Grip, Steve, my friend, you were very close....Joe
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • breakdownbreakdown Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Joe, all are nice but sign me up for the second one. Just a great look. I think the "spread-out" strike on the "FIVE CENTS" on the first one makes it inferior to the second one. As for the rattler, it could likely upgrade, but it is just fine in that holder.

    Thanks for sharing and, as always, great photos!

    "Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.

  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,977 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Joe, all are nice but sign me up for the second one. Just a great look. I think the "spread-out" strike on the "FIVE CENTS" on the first one makes it inferior to the second one. As for the rattler, it could likely upgrade, but it is just fine in that holder.

    Thanks for sharing and, as always, great photos! >>



    Thank you for the compliment on my imaging, that's always nice for me to hear. And your right it wouldn't be worth the trouble or the $ to resubmit the rattler buff for another opinion. It's just fine like it is and I know for sure it would up grade so I don't need the help. I have another 38-d pcgs Buff that an ms-66 but the 65 is WAY nicer, go figure.....Thanks again....Joe
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭
    67 (nice toning), 66, 66
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  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OK I can see that on 1 & 2, but gheesh #3 IMO could easily go gold. just WOW
    those are all gorgious, thanks fer sharing

    Steve
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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    hey joe,
    kinda late to the pic-nic here but
    how that 1st one made 67 is beyond not only me...with how flat the strike is on obv n rev...the words five cents and hair before braids....image
    i'd also think the 2nd one with the minor hit on his nose and 2 small ones on his forehead would of limited him to 66
    the last one was the best of um...lol came in at 65
    yeah i would of been
    64
    66
    66/67
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  • InternetJunkyInternetJunky Posts: 2,329 ✭
    This is why I like the Buffalo series. Just look at the wide range of guesses on grading a common date Buffalo. If this was a Morgan dollar GTG everybody would have been dead on. I didn't see the thread until the grades have been posted but my intitial guess for them was 67. The excellent eye appeal is what got it to 67 IMO. If they were average blast white they would have been no higher than 66 (IMO they would cross to 66 if sent to our host). If a nice strike would have been thrown in the mix those would be superb! Regardless, I always love the coins you post
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,977 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This is why I like the Buffalo series. Just look at the wide range of guesses on grading a common date Buffalo. If this was a Morgan dollar GTG everybody would have been dead on. I didn't see the thread until the grades have been posted but my intitial guess for them was 67. The excellent eye appeal is what got it to 67 IMO. If they were average blast white they would have been no higher than 66 (IMO they would cross to 66 if sent to our host). If a nice strike would have been thrown in the mix those would be superb! Regardless, I always love the coins you post >>



    Thank you and I agree 100%....You can throw the grades to the wind as it really doesn't matter as the eye appeal is what brought me to these buffs and the eye appeal is what makes me keep them. My thoughts, the grades are just fine , you guys need to see these in hand to really appreciate them the way I do. Thanks again to all, it's been fun. And Ted, I'm disappointed with your response! Your beating me up again ....image Lets see yours.....Joe
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    omg joe
    i sent in a 13 type 1
    figuired shot at 65 it was so clean...sure enough...ms62
    you'll see it in hand if i'm still on a list that can send coins for imaging to you in the way i really give 100% run down on your buff's...
    you'll scratch your head too on my 62
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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,977 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>omg joe
    i sent in a 13 type 1
    figuired shot at 65 it was so clean...sure enough...ms62
    you'll see it in hand if i'm still on a list that can send coins for imaging to you in the way i really give 100% run down on your buff's...
    you'll scratch your head too on my 62 >>



    Your on the list bud! Why wouldn't you be? I would love to see your 62 in hand. I have a 36 Buff that was graded 62 and I almost craped my pants when I received the grade, WHAT? Let me dig it out and I'll show ya.....
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,977 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>omg joe
    i sent in a 13 type 1
    figuired shot at 65 it was so clean...sure enough...ms62
    you'll see it in hand if i'm still on a list that can send coins for imaging to you in the way i really give 100% run down on your buff's...
    you'll scratch your head too on my 62 >>



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    Ngc thinks this 36 Buff is a 62. I don't....Joe
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Joe,

    I dont think its a 62 either, but..... What do YOU think it should be?

    Steve
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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,977 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Joe,

    I dont think its a 62 either, but..... What do YOU think it should be?

    Steve >>


    It's my opinion that it's a 64. The strike is average but the luster is strong, not to mention the eye appeal which has nothing to do with the technical grade, few blemishes. The eye appeal is why I submitted this Buff looking for a star...I have another 65 in a old holder and it's very close to the one I'm showing you here. I have to run for a bit but when I return I'll pull some more 36 buffs out to compare. In the mean time if anybody else has a 36 feel free the post it....
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    i concur with a 64 on the 36 joe without my usual blah-blah-blah...image

    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I totally agree Joe with 64, I meen like, YOU DA MAN when
    it comes to these, and it makes me feel good that sometimes
    I'm in the ballpark when it comes to the Buffiesimage

    Steve
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  • IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    Did you mean "GRADES REVILED" or "GRADES REVEALED" in the title?image
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,977 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Did you mean "GRADES REVILED" or "GRADES REVEALED" in the title?image >>



    I revealed the reviled....
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,977 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Here I have a 65...Compare this one to the 62 posted above. Sometimes I wonder what I'm paying these guys for, gzzzz.....Joe
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • golfer72golfer72 Posts: 3,588


    << <i>imageimage

    Here I have a 65...Compare this one to the 62 posted above. Sometimes I wonder what I'm paying these guys for, gzzzz.....Joe >>

    I hear you. I have two 38 buffs both "graded" by PCGS. One a 64, the other a 66. They are exactly the same. If you put a gun to my head I would say the 64 is slightly better. Dont even get me started on plus grades. image
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,977 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I hear you. I have two 38 buffs both "graded" by PCGS. One a 64, the other a 66. They are exactly the same. If you put a gun to my head I would say the 64 is slightly better. Dont even get me started on plus grades.

    You got me laughing pretty good with that one



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    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,977 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just for fun, here's another 36 from my coin album. It just sits there and looks pretty with better than average luster and pastel colors, mainly on the reverse. The obverse has what I call a stoned Indian. His eye looks as he has had a dose of heroin. As far as the grade goes, who cares....


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    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • BlackDiamondBlackDiamond Posts: 58 ✭✭
    Lots of nice '36 and 38-D Buffalos. I love seeing all the beautiful Buffs. Keep 'em coming.

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