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just mailed first ever submission - Grades are in first post

rawmorganrawmorgan Posts: 618 ✭✭✭
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Well I finally made the jump, signed up, and made my first submission. I spent about a week deciding on what to send in. I thought about value, rarity, the "slabbibility" of a coin, and finally made my choices. I decided that since my goal has been to have a full morgan album (minus the 1895) and I since I believe I have a decent handle on grading Morgans. I was going to send in some of the outliers of my collection, ones that I'm not very good at grading. Some have a 50/50 (or less) shot at getting slabbed some will definately get slabbled. These are the coins I sent in.

1788 Massachuttes 1/2 cent - solid fine details, may get graded genuine due to planchet defects.
25131157 308 1788 1/2C Massachusetts USA Genuine (93 - Planchet Flaw)
Ok so we knew that this might happen, but still a great coin with the much rarer Ryder 1A reverse

1804 spiked chin 1/2 cent - solid AU/MS details, possibly grade genuine due to an old dipping and questionable color.
25131030 1075 1804 1/2C Spiked Chin USA Genuine - (98 - Damage or Tooling)
I don't see this, check the pics below, maybe I missed something.

1833 bust quarter - AU-50 details
25131031 5352 1833 25C USA Genuine - (92 - Cleaned)
When I first posted this quarter on the forums here, you guys said the obverse looked cleaned. I thought it was just my bad photography, should have listened.

1921 2 star 4 Missouri comm - MS-60 details
25131032 9331 1921 50C Missouri 2X4 USA Genuine - (92 - Cleaned)
Again don't really see this, check images below.

1880 Morgan - MS-62 tru-viewed with incredible golden rainbow toning on obverse and reverse
25131033 7096 1880 $1 USA MS63
Great looking coin great looking tru-view below.

1880 s Morgan - MS-63, possible grade genuine due to blotchy lavender toning
25131034 7118 1880-S $1 USA Genuine (99 - PVC Residue)
Knew this was going to happen, toning was a very wierd lavander, but I thought I would take a shot.

1900 Morgan o/cc Vam 11 - Solid MS-62/63
25131035 133963 1900-O $1 Overmintmark USA MS63
Nailed it, with Vam 11 Designation

1878 Morgan Vam 44 7/5 Triple Blossoms - Solid AU, possible genuine grade for light cleaning.
25131036 133829 1878 $1 7TF, Reverse of 1878 USA AU53
Not bad for a $95 cherry pick, Vam 44 designation


This what I have learned. I am coming along nicely with grading Morgans, everything else I've go a long way to go.
I am a little disappointed that the Missouri didn't grade, and while a may see a case for "cleaning" on the spiked chin, I really don't see any tooling or damage.

1833 Quarter - Obverse has the same natural skin as the reverse, just couldn't capture it.
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Missouri Comm
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1788 1/2 cent
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1804 1/2 cent much more brown with even tones in hand
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1880 Morgan
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As always questions and comments are welcome.

Comments

  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,057 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good luck and be sure to update us when you get the results!
  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 16,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1900 O/CC VAM is going to be the image Good Luck to everyone of the rest. Boy, that 1900 O/CC, Nice!!!

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,514 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good luck!
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  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Best of luck, never know until ya tryimage

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,986 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good luck. Your submission looks great. Let us know the out come....
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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Good luck and be sure to update us when you get the results! >>


    +1
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  • rawmorganrawmorgan Posts: 618 ✭✭✭
    Grades in the first post.

    Thanks for looking
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    The Bust Quarter could have graded, but it probably wouldn't be finer than an EF-40.

    Everything else appears properly graded/attributed!
  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    FWIW, I agree with your assessment of the half cent -- I could see "altered surfaces" or "cleaned" or even "artificially toned", but not "damage/tooling"...at least from the photos provided.
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    The reverse looks like it was tooled and smoothed out!
    Definitely could have been a couple of designations on that one!
  • NewParadigmNewParadigm Posts: 1,322
    Has the half cent been filled and smoothed in front of the breast?

    I hope it hasn't. Looks like a nice coin.
  • WhiteTornadoWhiteTornado Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭


    << <i>1804 spiked chin 1/2 cent - solid AU/MS details, possibly grade genuine due to an old dipping and questionable color.
    25131030 1075 1804 1/2C Spiked Chin USA Genuine - (98 - Damage or Tooling)
    I don't see this, check the pics below, maybe I missed something. >>



    Congrats on the first submission. Maybe someday I will have enough worthy raw coins to do the same image.

    Regarding the 1804 Half Cent and it's designation as 98 - Damage or Tooling. There seem to be some kind of gouging or milling marks at about 3:30 on the obverse that are in a pattern of sorts, not just random-looking. See #1 in the pic below. Just west of those marks, more toward the center, there are some fainter gouging/milling marks; see #2 in the pic. Again, just a complete guess here, but maybe those marks taken together were seen as evidence of some kind of milling or tooling?

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  • rawmorganrawmorgan Posts: 618 ✭✭✭
    The spiked chin had been in a PCI slab before I got my hands on it. Cracked it out two or so years ago. Kept it in an album or flip since then.
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    here is a slabbed 63 for comparison. MJ

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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,090 ✭✭✭
    The marks mentioned and pointed out in the photo are as struck, and markers for the Spiked Chin variety. I don't see the damage, but it does look cleaned, the color is off.

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  • WhiteTornadoWhiteTornado Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the extra info regarding those marks, I had no idea.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,019 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My first reaction on the 1804 1/2c was cleaned and funky recoloring. Could the damage/tooling be referring to the coin being whizzed? The date digits have an "edge-enhanced" look to them, especially when I compare with the MS63 specimen shown.

    The true winner of this submission is the 1878 VAM 44 Morgan $1. Did you have PCGS attribute it as VAM 44 on the holder? If so, then as a $95 cherrypick, I would say You Suck!™ If you didn't have them do it (or they didn't call it VAM 44), then I'd have you check to see if it's VAM 38.
    John
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  • rawmorganrawmorgan Posts: 618 ✭✭✭
    With the color being suspect there were long odds on this coin being slabbed, but I took a shot. That being said the opinion if it being damaged or tooled only bothers me in the sense that if the coloring were the only thing wrong with it, there could be a chance after 10, 20, 30 years in an album that it could be slabbed.

  • rawmorganrawmorgan Posts: 618 ✭✭✭


    << <i>My first reaction on the 1804 1/2c was cleaned and funky recoloring. Could the damage/tooling be referring to the coin being whizzed? The date digits have an "edge-enhanced" look to them, especially when I compare with the MS63 specimen shown.

    The true winner of this submission is the 1878 VAM 44 Morgan $1. Did you have PCGS attribute it as VAM 44 on the holder? If so, then as a $95 cherrypick, I would say You Suck!™ If you didn't have them do it (or they didn't call it VAM 44), then I'd have you check to see if it's VAM 38. >>



    Check the cert number 25131036 VAM 44 Triple Blossom 7/8TF Weak
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Check the cert number 25131036 VAM 44 Triple Blossom 7/8TF Weak
    Elvis is in a slab >>



    how could you NOT provide an image for that. it is a moose for sure, maybe even a small dinosaur. YOU SUCK!
    .

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  • rawmorganrawmorgan Posts: 618 ✭✭✭
    I didn't put up images of the Vam 44 because my photos make it look horrible.

    Here they are, for the brave.

    Most Vam 44 I've seen look at bit like they were cleaned

    it may be a result of multiple strikes on both the obverse and reverse

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  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To save anyone else the time of looking up auction results on that Vam-44, here's a link to a recent sale of an 1878 7/8TF NGC AU-55 VAM-44 Tripled Blossoms.

    $8625 hammer including the juice.

    I'll second the "You Suck". Well done.
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    thanks for posting the images to that lil baby. i do feel much better now.

    males are VERY visual animals and I am NOT an exception.

    those fields look to have some eds/mds qualities!

    also I would highly recommend having it professionally imaged no matter if you keep it or sell it.

    it appears you are using a digital microscope for imaging?
    .

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,714 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I didn't put up images of the Vam 44 because my photos make it look horrible. >>



    Not sure if you knew, but your coin was imaged for CoinFacts:

    image

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  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Guess that solves the professional imaging problem. Cool.
  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,266 ✭✭✭
    Congrats on the Vam-44. It makes those other tuition costs hurt a little bit less.

    Keep pluggin' at it. You get a little bit better ever time.
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  • rawmorganrawmorgan Posts: 618 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I didn't put up images of the Vam 44 because my photos make it look horrible. >>



    Not sure if you knew, but your coin was imaged for CoinFacts:

    image >>



    I did not know that, that is awsome.

    Thanks for the heads up
  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice VAM. Nice submission and sometimes the only way to find out what you know is to roll the dice.

    I finally got 8/8 coins graded on a submission with no genuine holders for the first time. They weren't real risky to start with - especially compared to yours, but still, it's nice to see everything with an acutal grade. I did get one to grade two full levels below what I thought (and therefore worth $4, LOL), but OTOH I "made" enough on one to cover the entire cost of the submission and then some.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,019 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow! Congrats on the VAM 44. Huge coin!
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  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's a shame that PCGS doesn't tie the CoinFacts images to the cert verification... seems like something they should be doing.

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  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for posting.
    All of this is very educational and is appreciated.
    And congrats on the VAM 44!

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  • rawmorganrawmorgan Posts: 618 ✭✭✭
    After consideration, I believe I may have found out why the 1804 spiked chin was deemed code 98 damage tooling.

    I believe the divots at 12:00 under the tops of the wreath were the reason. After spending a little time looking at other examples I don't see these marks as anything other than PMD.

    They may have been the attempts to hide a spot or defect in the past.

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    Opinions or questions are always welcome.

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