The barcode in the image with black background that Lance posted 2 above is valid for the first several digits that I checked. I don't see a problem with the font, but I am not sure if I know an accurate way to test it.
streeter, can you provide a comparison which is more specific about that you mean by "boy o boy does that font on the cert look wrong"?
The coin could be a fake, but I don't know.
This seller might have only the 16-D fake in their inventory; other coins could be real.... They may have obtained their coins from several sources and been fooled on the 16-D. They might have other fakes, too.... Even their story about the 16-D being in their dad's estate might be true; the dad might have been fooled. But the chances of both a fake and the dad passing away recently seem enough to be suspicious at a minimum. Not enough to prove all or most of their coins are fakes, though, I think.
If that is a legit cert# the person certainly runs the risk of someone with the real coin seeing it and blowing the whistle. Does anyone know if this has happened in the past? Also this seems like a high risk criminal activity, with multiple felony charges, possibly getting to the federal level, alot of exposure to jail time for 5k, not the brightest of criminal if it is in fact fake and the seller knows it.
Maybe some risk of federal prosecution, but I'm not sure. I'm not a legal expert, but from a short search it looks like the Secret Service is mainly interested in the manufacture of counterfeits, and in "Possession of counterfeit United States obligations with fraudulent intent".
The below does not specifically mention possession of counterfeit coins (unless they are included as "obligations").
So it may be mainly enforced as a local commerce fraud.
In either case, one would have to prove "fraudulent intent", which would probably require finding a large quantity of counterfeits (especially duplicates).
from http://www.secretservice.gov/money_law.shtml ---------- Manufacturing counterfeit United States currency or altering genuine currency to increase its value is a violation of Title 18, Section 471 of the United States Code and is punishable by a fine or imprisonment for up to 15 years, or both.
Possession of counterfeit United States obligations with fraudulent intent is a violation of Title 18, Section 472 of the United States Code and is punishable by a fine or imprisonment for up to 15 years, or both.
Anyone who manufactures a counterfeit U.S. coin in any denomination above five cents is subject to the same penalties as all other counterfeiters. Anyone who alters a genuine coin to increase its numismatic value is in violation of Title 18, Section 331 of the United States Code, which is punishable by a fine or imprisonment for up to five years, or both. ----------
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1932-D-Washington-Quarter-/261023972745?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item3cc63dbd89
a lot of people probably won't like me saying this but this is a fantastic reason to add coins to set registry
if everyone did, i bet tens of thousands of fakes would become known; a lot of hearts broken
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<< <i>He's back with a 32-D and boy o boy does that font on the cert look wrong
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Here are some comparisons
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The barcode in the image with black background that Lance posted 2 above is valid for the first several digits that I checked.
I don't see a problem with the font, but I am not sure if I know an accurate way to test it.
streeter, can you provide a comparison which is more specific about that you mean by "boy o boy does that font on the cert look wrong"?
The coin could be a fake, but I don't know.
This seller might have only the 16-D fake in their inventory; other coins could be real....
They may have obtained their coins from several sources and been fooled on the 16-D.
They might have other fakes, too....
Even their story about the 16-D being in their dad's estate might be true; the dad might have been fooled.
But the chances of both a fake and the dad passing away recently seem enough to be suspicious at a minimum.
Not enough to prove all or most of their coins are fakes, though, I think.
In God We Trust.... all others pay in Gold and Silver!
I'm not a legal expert, but from a short search it looks like the Secret Service is mainly
interested in the manufacture of counterfeits, and in "Possession of counterfeit United States obligations with fraudulent intent".
The below does not specifically mention possession of counterfeit coins (unless they are included as "obligations").
So it may be mainly enforced as a local commerce fraud.
In either case, one would have to prove "fraudulent intent",
which would probably require finding a large quantity of counterfeits (especially duplicates).
from
http://www.secretservice.gov/money_law.shtml
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Manufacturing counterfeit United States currency or altering genuine currency to increase its value is a violation of Title 18, Section 471 of the United States Code and is punishable by a fine or imprisonment for up to 15 years, or both.
Possession of counterfeit United States obligations with fraudulent intent is a violation of Title 18, Section 472 of the United States Code and is punishable by a fine or imprisonment for up to 15 years, or both.
Anyone who manufactures a counterfeit U.S. coin in any denomination above five cents is subject to the same penalties as all other counterfeiters. Anyone who alters a genuine coin to increase its numismatic value is in violation of Title 18, Section 331 of the United States Code, which is punishable by a fine or imprisonment for up to five years, or both.
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