Proof Capped Bust Quarters

Darrell

It seems that each year I learn about a new coin type. This year it is proof capped bust quarters. Examples that most can agree are true proofs are extremely rare. This coins were not collected in the 1820s and 1830s and were only minted when ordered. Below is a list of the estimated number minted and the estimated survivors per PCGS Coin Facts:
Date Est Mintage Est Suvivors
1820 10 3
1821 15 2
1822 8 4
1822 25/50 6 2
1823/2 1 1
1824/2 2 2
1831 20 4
1833 5 3
1834 10 3
1835 8 3
1836 5 3
1837 5 1
1838 3 2

Many of these coins were part of great collections such as Garrett, Pittman and Eliasberg and rarely come up for sale. If you have one of these or just want to share your knowledge please make a post.

Thanks,

Darrell

MrEureka

No 1827's?

FWIW, I consider the 1827 Original B-1 a proof, the 1827 B-2 Original a "business strike" and the 1827 B-2 Restrike just plain sloppy.

keyman64

Those would be some exciting coins to look at.

Darrell

Andy you are correct in that there are some 1827s. I just failed to list them.

RichieURich

<< <i>. . . . . FWIW, I consider the 1827 Original B-1 a proof, the 1827 B-2 Original a "business strike" and the 1827 B-2 Restrike just plain sloppy. >>



I agree with Andy, except I consider the 1827 B-2 restrike to be "not a real coin".

Why?

If you found the dies for the 1804 obverse, and an 1815 reverse, and struck coins outside the Mint with that die pairing, would the product be called an "1804 B-3 quarter", or "not a real coin"?

MrEureka

I agree with Andy, except I consider the 1827 B-2 restrike to be "not a real coin".

Why?

If you found the dies for the 1804 obverse, and an 1815 reverse, and struck coins outside the Mint with that die pairing, would the product be called an "1804 B-3 quarter", or "not a real coin"?

The 1827 B-2 Original (from unrusted dies) was very possibly struck in 1827, and possibly before the B-1. In any event, it was almost certainly struck no later than 1836. I would not condemn the rusted dies restrike (made much later) based on the die pairing, although I agree that it is a Mickley Mouse sort of coin.

RichieURich

<< <i>
I agree with Andy, except I consider the 1827 B-2 restrike to be "not a real coin".

Why?

If you found the dies for the 1804 obverse, and an 1815 reverse, and struck coins outside the Mint with that die pairing, would the product be called an "1804 B-3 quarter", or "not a real coin"?

The 1827 B-2 Original (from unrusted dies) was very possibly struck in 1827, and possibly before the B-1. In any event, it was almost certainly struck no later than 1836. I would not condemn the rusted dies restrike (made much later) based on the die pairing, although I agree that it is a Mickley Mouse sort of coin. >>



I agree with you, Andy, on the 1827 B-2 Original. And the rusted dies 1827 B-2 "Restrike" is indeed a strange coin that needs its own separate category ("near-coin", perhaps). Is your term "Mickley Mouse" an intended pun? If so,

Darrell

The 1827 is not the only one that leaves us with questions. The 1835 B-7 proof was part of the Pittman and Garrett collection. Eliasberg had a B-8 that some called a proof but I find it hard to believe that they would have used another set of dies on the same date. Especially when only about 8 were struck. Any comments on this date?

1Bustcollector

Hmmmm.......

Those numbers appear to vary with our findings. I definitely am not considered an expert in Proofs but please compare your findings with our latest book: Early Quarter Dollars Of The United States Mint 1796-1838, the Black Hardbound Book.

Have you or PCGS verified the Smithsonian collection?

I agree with Andy on the 1827's.

I have talked with Dave Akers a couple of times and I feel he is most qualified to answer some of your questions. This series may need a little more attention and more tweaking when it comes to Proofs. Our book identifies each variety (Backed up with photos-except the Smithsonian collection) and pedigrees the Proofs located to date-as stated by past Auction houses. We even have listed Eric P. Newman's examples. Now, there is one example, the 1818 B-8, that may not be a true Proof, but it sure looks fantastic! This one I listed ad such, but will need to be verified by multiple experts.

I will agree that the 1835 B-1 needs some possible attention....

Does anyone own the 1825 B-2 ANR 1-10-05 Lot 428 ANACS PF-63?

Coinosaurus

<< <i>
If you found the dies for the 1804 obverse, and an 1815 reverse, and struck coins outside the Mint with that die pairing, would the product be called an "1804 B-3 quarter", or "not a real coin"? >>



What if they were struck in the doorway of the Mint, not quite inside or outside