Most likely player to break Bonds career HR record?
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I say nobody. Not Arod or Pujols. I just don't think It's going to happen for at least another 40 or 50 years, if ever.
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<< <i> The most hallowed record in all of sports and it's completely tainted....Not good.
Its not good but Id be lying if I said that I didnt enjoy 1998, watching McGwire that year was by far the most exciting season in all of sports. I remember me and a few buddies watching sportcenter everynight and really enjoying the Sosa, Griffey and Mcgwire HR chase. The Bonds chase was fun too but for some reason not as fun as 1998.
Looking back its kind of funny that we didnt even mention steroids but I will tell ya this much regardless of the facts now I wouldnt trade that year in for a clean slate because it was a fun time!
In 1998....the most hallowed record in all of sports did not go down. The single season record is something I can live with. Bonds also holds that. It's the career record that makes me sick.
And yes...1998 was exciting watching Sosa and McGwire. The problem with all of this is that we have to almost void all of this out of our mind because none of them are getting in the HOF. The writers have already made the statement. They hated Bonds before he was breaking any records.
<< <i>Perkdog,
In 1998....the most hallowed record in all of sports did not go down. The single season record is something I can live with. Bonds also holds that. It's the career record that makes me sick.
And yes...1998 was exciting watching Sosa and McGwire. The problem with all of this is that we have to almost void all of this out of our mind because none of them are getting in the HOF. The writers have already made the statement. They hated Bonds before he was breaking any records. >>
Oh I agree, the topic just got me thinking about 1998 and Im with you all the way, the career mark is the most coveted record and sadly it is forever tainted.
Any major injury will make it almost impossible. Being in the AL should help if he can continue some productivity at DH.
I hope he does it.
Joe
<< <i>Bryce Harper >>
It's not his birthday, is it?
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Your dream is possible. Not likely; but possible. Baseball has a problem as none of these guys are getting in the hall of fame and they have some of the biggest stats. At some point baseball may rid the record books of their #'s. If they got rid of Bonds, McGwire and Sosa's stuff....they would be in much better shape. How does anyone explain any of this to their kids? It's a shame. Henry Aaron was very classy during Bonds' stealing of the HR record.
<< <i>Henry Aaron was very classy during Bonds' stealing of the HR record. >>
Ha! That's what you think!
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<< <i>Henry Aaron was very classy during Bonds' stealing of the HR record. >>
Ha! That's what you think!
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Sad to see that whole era wiped out - there were some nice inserts through those years!
<< <i>Pujols has a chance, he needs to average 40 a year for the next 8 years, but he needs two or three years in the high 40's so that as his numbers decline he doesn't have to maintain that pace.
Any major injury will make it almost impossible. Being in the AL should help if he can continue some productivity at DH.
I hope he does it.
Joe >>
What your saying is an absolute stretch and Im not being argumentive towards you Im just thinking it will be very difficult for him to keep any pace of 40 ish hrs, Im thinking Pujols ( along with Griffey and Ripken ) somehow avoided getting caught using PEDS.
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<< <i>Pujols has a chance, he needs to average 40 a year for the next 8 years, but he needs two or three years in the high 40's so that as his numbers decline he doesn't have to maintain that pace.
Any major injury will make it almost impossible. Being in the AL should help if he can continue some productivity at DH.
I hope he does it.
Joe >>
What your saying is an absolute stretch and Im not being argumentive towards you Im just thinking it will be very difficult for him to keep any pace of 40 ish hrs, Im thinking Pujols ( along with Griffey and Ripken ) somehow avoided getting caught using PEDS. >>
So, Jr and Cal were juicers too? I'm glad I put down my coffee before reading that madness. Don't forget to add Frank Thomas to the list too then.
As I said, several things would have to happen. He would have to have at least two, possibly three big years (in a new, unfamiliar league) would have to stay healthy, and also remain productive in his "old man" years. Odds are against all three of these happening.
He is the youngest (by far) of the players in the chase, and despite rumors, he has not tested positive for PEDs.
I would say that, in answer to the OP's question, he is the most likely to break the record. Can you name a player who has a better chance?
Joe
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<< <i>Pujols has a chance, he needs to average 40 a year for the next 8 years, but he needs two or three years in the high 40's so that as his numbers decline he doesn't have to maintain that pace.
Any major injury will make it almost impossible. Being in the AL should help if he can continue some productivity at DH.
I hope he does it.
Joe >>
What your saying is an absolute stretch and Im not being argumentive towards you Im just thinking it will be very difficult for him to keep any pace of 40 ish hrs, Im thinking Pujols ( along with Griffey and Ripken ) somehow avoided getting caught using PEDS. >>
So, Jr and Cal were juicers too? I'm glad I put down my coffee before reading that madness. Don't forget to add Frank Thomas to the list too then. >>
Sadly you never know.
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<< <i>Pujols has a chance, he needs to average 40 a year for the next 8 years, but he needs two or three years in the high 40's so that as his numbers decline he doesn't have to maintain that pace.
Any major injury will make it almost impossible. Being in the AL should help if he can continue some productivity at DH.
I hope he does it.
Joe >>
What your saying is an absolute stretch and Im not being argumentive towards you Im just thinking it will be very difficult for him to keep any pace of 40 ish hrs, Im thinking Pujols ( along with Griffey and Ripken ) somehow avoided getting caught using PEDS. >>
So, Jr and Cal were juicers too? I'm glad I put down my coffee before reading that madness. Don't forget to add Frank Thomas to the list too then. >>
If you were going to spit your coffee all over your keypad by reading that then Im adding you to my list of people who are naive.
I say naive because if anyone is foolish enough to think that its madness to suggest they might have been dirty is being naive, Im not certain ofcourse but its my opinion they were. And yes I will add Frank Thomas to my list, thanks for reminding me.
<< <i>Perkdog. It's obviously a stretch.
As I said, several things would have to happen. He would have to have at least two, possibly three big years (in a new, unfamiliar league) would have to stay healthy, and also remain productive in his "old man" years. Odds are against all three of these happening.
He is the youngest (by far) of the players in the chase, and despite rumors, he has not tested positive for PEDs.
I would say that, in answer to the OP's question, he is the most likely to break the record. Can you name a player who has a better chance?
Joe >>
I certainly wasnt aware he was the youngest.
Well if it happens and he never gets caught using ( or he is clean ) then Im all for him doing it, it would be nice to get the record back on a clean slate!
ARod 36/632
Thome 41/604
ManRam 40/555
Chipper 40/456
Vlad 37/449
Albert 32/445
I have heard people say this is not an accurate age for Pujols, but I can only go by what is listed. I hope he is clean.
The more I look at it, the less likely I think he will catch Bonds.
Joe
edited to add; If Pujols averages 45 HR for the next 4 years and 35 HR for the next 4, he will be at 765, beating Bonds by 3. GO ALBERT!!!!
<< <i>Im not certain ofcourse but its my opinion they were. >>
Cal Ripken Jr.:
1981 = 6'-4" 200 lbs.
2001 = 6'-4" 220 lbs.
Ken Griffey Jr.:
1989 = 6'-3" 195 lbs.
2010 = 6'-3" 230 lbs.
Albert Pujols:
2001 = 6'-3" 210 lbs.
2012 = 6'-3" 230 lbs.
David Ortiz:
1997 = 6'-4" 190 lbs.
2012 = 6'-4" 230 lbs.
Barry Bonds:
1986 = 6'-1" 185 lbs.
2007 = 6'-2" 230 lbs.
Mark McGwire:
1987 = 6'-5" 215 lbs.
2001 = 6'-5" 250 lbs.
Roger Clemens:
1985 = 6'-4" 205 lbs.
2007 = 6'-4" 235 lbs.
Jose Canseco:
1985 = 6'-3" 210 lbs.
2001 = 6'-4" 240 lbs.
<< <i>If Pujols averages 45 HR for the next 4 years and 35 HR for the next 4, he will be at 765, beating Bonds by 3. GO ALBERT!!!!
That would make him 46 years old (since he's 38 right now... you'll see), and as it is right now, he can't crack an egg at the plate. He won't even make it to 500. Mark it dude...
<< <i>PEDS have been part of the game for a long, long, long time - are a part of it now - and will continue to be for a long, long, long time >>
I'm going to politely disagree. They were part of the game for a very short time and are not widely part of the game today.
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<< <i>Im not certain ofcourse but its my opinion they were. >>
Cal Ripken Jr.:
1981 = 6'-4" 200 lbs.
2001 = 6'-4" 220 lbs.
Ken Griffey Jr.:
1989 = 6'-3" 195 lbs.
2010 = 6'-3" 230 lbs.
Albert Pujols:
2001 = 6'-3" 210 lbs.
2012 = 6'-3" 230 lbs.
David Ortiz:
1997 = 6'-4" 190 lbs.
2012 = 6'-4" 230 lbs.
Barry Bonds:
1986 = 6'-1" 185 lbs.
2007 = 6'-2" 230 lbs.
Mark McGwire:
1987 = 6'-5" 215 lbs.
2001 = 6'-5" 250 lbs.
Roger Clemens:
1985 = 6'-4" 205 lbs.
2007 = 6'-4" 235 lbs.
Jose Canseco:
1985 = 6'-3" 210 lbs.
2001 = 6'-4" 240 lbs. >>
Mcadams:
1999: 195
2012: 220
are you accusing me too?
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<< <i>PEDS have been part of the game for a long, long, long time - are a part of it now - and will continue to be for a long, long, long time >>
I'm going to politely disagree. They were part of the game for a very short time and are not widely part of the game today. >>
"Very short time" compared to what? Eternity? History of Steroids
Shortly after development, AAS were adapted for a variety of purposes including the increase of aggression in Nazi soldiers, elite-level athletics in the1950’s, and the very specific production for weightlifting athletes. However, by the 1960’s several major sporting organizations had already banned their use, and initiated extensive drug testing policies. In the mid 1990’s, the first Anabolic Steroid Control Act was passed under President George Bush. A decade later congressional hearings were held to curtail the growing AAS problem in athletics. By this time, every major reputable sporting organization from the high school level through the professional ranks had followed suit with anti-AAS regulations and testing policies.
So you're saying you don't think players were using them in the 50s or 60s?
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Mcadams:
1999: 195
2012: 220
are you accusing me too? >>
I'm just showing the glaring difference between obvious non-users to obvious users.
Now that you put it that way, maybe I'm on the juice too... au jus! lol
Jeff Colburn (me):
1995 = 6'-4" 240 lbs. (age 18)
2012 = 6'-5" 300 lbs.
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Mcadams:
1999: 195
2012: 220
are you accusing me too? >>
I'm just showing the glaring difference between obvious non-users to obvious users.
Now that you put it that way, maybe I'm on the juice too... au jus! lol
Jeff Colburn (me):
1995 = 6'-4" 240 lbs. (age 18)
2012 = 6'-5" 300 lbs.
Its ok Jeff, all those HR were worth it. Oh wait....
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Its ok Jeff, all those HR were worth it. Oh wait.... >>
The Grand Slams were worth it! (Grand Slam Breakfasts)
If you are right, no way he comes anywhere near Bonds tainted record.
Joe
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<< <i>How do you come up with 38 for Pujols? >>
You're right... I've never heard of players from the Dominican Republic lying about their age before.
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<< <i> The most hallowed record in all of sports and it's completely tainted....Not good.
Its not good but Id be lying if I said that I didnt enjoy 1998, watching McGwire that year was by far the most exciting season in all of sports. I remember me and a few buddies watching sportcenter everynight and really enjoying the Sosa, Griffey and Mcgwire HR chase. The Bonds chase was fun too but for some reason not as fun as 1998.
Looking back its kind of funny that we didnt even mention steroids but I will tell ya this much regardless of the facts now I wouldnt trade that year in for a clean slate because it was a fun time! >>
and Bud Selig basked in it all. If I ever meet him on the street, I am going to sock him in the mouth. He was so short sighted and lived for the now moment instead of doing what was right.
Where are you coming up with 38? Why would it take so long for him to make the Majors?
If you are making these kind of statements, how about a little explanation of why you are making them?
I am not saying he is 32, but that's what it says on the internet (yes, I know the internet lies as well). Please educate.
Joe
<< <i>Yes Jeff everbody lies. When Pedro Oliva came to the U.S. from Cuba, he used his brother Tony's identification because of the problems getting out of Cuba, so we found out later he was not the correct age.
Where are you coming up with 38? Why would it take so long for him to make the Majors?
If you are making these kind of statements, how about a little explanation of why you are making them?
I am not saying he is 32, but that's what it says on the internet (yes, I know the internet lies as well). Please educate.
Joe >>
I'm using as many facts as perkdog is using when he says Ripken and Griffey were on PEDS.
Joe