Crack and Resub
celesterussell
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Always wondered about this.
Mr. X sends to PSA as an example a 1969 Mays and it is graded a 7.
Mr. X "feels" it is undergraded, so he cracks out the card and resubs it.
Do you feel it is possible that PSA would look at Mr. X's order history (and I am sure PSA has each card that they have graded scanned, on their system) see a 1969 Mays was graded and check to see if the cards are the same?
Your thoughts.
By the way, I personally would not crack a card as if it would be that valuable to resubmit, I would "worry" about its potential damage.
Mr. X sends to PSA as an example a 1969 Mays and it is graded a 7.
Mr. X "feels" it is undergraded, so he cracks out the card and resubs it.
Do you feel it is possible that PSA would look at Mr. X's order history (and I am sure PSA has each card that they have graded scanned, on their system) see a 1969 Mays was graded and check to see if the cards are the same?
Your thoughts.
By the way, I personally would not crack a card as if it would be that valuable to resubmit, I would "worry" about its potential damage.
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Edit: PSA does not have scans. I have received many e-mails from them asking for scans of a card when adding to a registry set, or if there has been a question about a card variation. The data size for scanning every card ever submitted would be significant and would most likely add to their overhead/maintenance.
It is a good question, though.
Justin
Retired - Eddie Mathews Master Registry Set (96.36%) Rank 1
I think they only made 1. Mine is a POP 1. They might have made 2.
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<< <i>Always wondered about this.
Mr. X sends to PSA as an example a 1969 Mays and it is graded a 7.
Mr. X "feels" it is undergraded, so he cracks out the card and resubs it.
Do you feel it is possible that PSA would look at Mr. X's order history (and I am sure PSA has each card that they have graded scanned, on their system) see a 1969 Mays was graded and check to see if the cards are the same?
Your thoughts.
By the way, I personally would not crack a card as if it would be that valuable to resubmit, I would "worry" about its potential damage. >>
Why would they care? They have your money and they sucked you into their crack and re-sub game. So glad I'm done with graded cards.
<< <i>Why would they care? They have your money and they sucked you into their crack and re-sub game. So glad I'm done with graded cards. >>
BINGO! We have a winner!! Its becoming a very corrupt system.
John
All American Hobbies Online Store
Please find enclosed my card for which I have paid my hard earned cash to seek your professional opinion. I understand that this is only YOUR opinion and I am not obligated, in any way, to necessarily agree with your opinion, because there is no binding agreement between us which says that I should. Therefore, I maintain the right to seek out another opinion, even if it is the same person's opinion, because I am paying you to do so. I understand that everything is based on opinion when we are speaking of third party grading and that fact is quite clear. Not every opinion is the same. And not every opinion is correct. But, of course, you get that part, right PSA? I knew you did.
Thanks for being there PSA. Your opinion matters. Even if it's wrong.
Love,
itz
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<< <i>Why would they care? They have your money and they sucked you into their crack and re-sub game. So glad I'm done with graded cards. >>
BINGO! We have a winner!! Its becoming a very corrupt system. >>
Wow, really getting tired of the frequent accusations on these boards regarding PSA's supposed intentional low grades for the sole purpose of generating re-subs. Why would PSA consistently give lower grades than the card deserves, only to see collectors grow tired of it and stop sending in orders? And how do you explain those first-time subs that earn 9s and 10s? Honestly, how many times does it need to be repeated on here that a card's grade is simply the opinion of human beings who are prone to reasonable differences? I consider members of this board to be as close to experts as there are outside of PSA, and every time a raw card is posted on here to solicit grading opinions, you'll see opinions anywhere from 7 to 9. PSA is no different, although the range of differences between their graders is probably more narrow, say 8 to 9 on that same card. From the grader's perspective, it is in his best interest to assign an accurate grade to the card. I'd imagine that if the cards he grades were complained about consistently, then eventually his ability to grade cards would be called into question. I cannot imagine him thinking, "This card deserves a 9 but I'm going to intentionally get it wrong & give it an 8 and cross my fingers that it will be sent in again, so PSA can make another $6." And the complainers that come on here almost daily accusing PSA of encouraging this practice need to realize the most important part of PSA's success is their consistency and reliability as experts, which will generate far more submissions and income in the long run than intentionally undergrading cards and hoping for re-subs. As to the original question of whether graders look at the history of cards you have sent in, no they do not. And even if they did, as someone mentioned earlier, it would be virtually impossible (and time consuming) to determine whether it is even the same card. The graders at PSA receive an order, look at each card for maybe half a minute, assign a grade, enter it into the computer and then move onto the next order. It is really that simple.
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<< <i>Why would they care? They have your money and they sucked you into their crack and re-sub game. So glad I'm done with graded cards. >>
BINGO! We have a winner!! Its becoming a very corrupt system.
John
All American Hobbies Online Store >>
Please kindly take your seat next to Dutymon.
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<< <i>Why would they care? They have your money and they sucked you into their crack and re-sub game. So glad I'm done with graded cards. >>
BINGO! We have a winner!! Its becoming a very corrupt system. >>
Wow, really getting tired of the frequent accusations on these boards regarding PSA's supposed intentional low grades for the sole purpose of generating re-subs. Why would PSA consistently give lower grades than the card deserves, only to see collectors grow tired of it and stop sending in orders? And how do you explain those first-time subs that earn 9s and 10s? Honestly, how many times does it need to be repeated on here that a card's grade is simply the opinion of human beings who are prone to reasonable differences? I consider members of this board to be as close to experts as there are outside of PSA, and every time a raw card is posted on here to solicit grading opinions, you'll see opinions anywhere from 7 to 9. PSA is no different, although the range of differences between their graders is probably more narrow, say 8 to 9 on that same card. From the grader's perspective, it is in his best interest to assign an accurate grade to the card. I'd imagine that if the cards he grades were complained about consistently, then eventually his ability to grade cards would be called into question. I cannot imagine him thinking, "This card deserves a 9 but I'm going to intentionally get it wrong & give it an 8 and cross my fingers that it will be sent in again, so PSA can make another $6." And the complainers that come on here almost daily accusing PSA of encouraging this practice need to realize the most important part of PSA's success is their consistency and reliability as experts, which will generate far more submissions and income in the long run than intentionally undergrading cards and hoping for re-subs. As to the original question of whether graders look at the history of cards you have sent in, no they do not. And even if they did, as someone mentioned earlier, it would be virtually impossible (and time consuming) to determine whether it is even the same card. The graders at PSA receive an order, look at each card for maybe half a minute, assign a grade, enter it into the computer and then move onto the next order. It is really that simple. >>
I'm not pointing the finger at PSA. I just find it funny how emotionally/financially attached certain collectors get to obtaining a "subjective grade" on a piece of cardboard. The fact that a $10 card suddenly becomes a $400 card because some guy sitting in an office says a card is a 10 is crazy. That same card that could have been an 8, 8.5 or a 9 two weeks earlier. I think it has really taken away from what this "hobby" started out to be. Sad that's it's more about grades, pop reports and how much something will sell for on eBay. Just my .02 cents
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<< <i>Why would they care? They have your money and they sucked you into their crack and re-sub game. So glad I'm done with graded cards. >>
BINGO! We have a winner!! Its becoming a very corrupt system >>
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First off, I am not making any accusations, but I will answer your question.
There are several reasons for PSA to grade cards low.
1. Gives them a reputation of higher quality (actually a misconception). Great strategy though!
2. Makes the cards that do receive 9's and 10's worth more money, so that card collectors (gamblers), have the biggest up side to submit high grade high dollar with them.
3. Obvious increase in revenue from reviews and crack and resubs.
When a company has the market share PSA does, there is no real down side to the kind of behavior relating to #3. In fact the worst thing they could start doing would be to relax their standards.
In my opinion, any card that is sent in for a review and gets a higher grade, with the exception of the .5 on cards graded prior to that change, should be no charge! THAT would be fair.
PSA is like any other company, they are in business to make a profit. Their business plan so far has been brilliant.
To claim they undergrade on purpose is a reckless accusation, to claim it cannot or does not ever happen is probably naive.
I am a member of PSA because they are the best, they are not perfect.
Joe