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What is the T206 Honus Wagner of Non-Sports?

MisterEMisterE Posts: 45
in Buy, Sell & Trade - Cards & Memorabilia
An interesting thread popped up on one of the other message boards I hang out on, the CGC comics forum. The question posted was, "What is the Action Comics #1 of other hobbies?"

We all know Action Comics #1 is the first appearance of the iconic Superman, is fairly rare, commands big bucks and is the indisputable King of Comic books.

Someone immediately chimmed in with the T206 Wagner being the King of Sportscards. Another person put forth that perhaps the Horrors of War or perhaps the G-Men set would be the King of Non-Sports.

So what do you guys think? IS there a single card or set that could be considered the King of Non-Sports cards?

(Apologies if this has been discussed by the old timers ad nauseum before...I'm here to learn...)

Comments

  • KaKaKaKa Posts: 49
    Now THAT is a good question. I would bet something from the 1938 Horrors of War set many would consider the grail. The non sport world is sooo diverse compared to the sports card market, I bet there would be hundreds of different views. It would be good to know what the highest price 'paid' for a non sports card or set was. Any more tenured collector have input ?
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    I am thinking Mars Attacks #1 in high grade?
  • MisterEMisterE Posts: 45
    Well...this thread went over like a lead balloon.

    I agree that the diversity of subjects and sets probably makes the question too tough to answer. I guess each collector has his/her own personal Holy Grail.

    I did think that perhaps a very high-grade Mars Attacks 1 card would be the King of Non-Sports. But there's so many great cards from earlier eras that I know very little about, so I just can't be totally sure.
  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    The #1 Three Stooges is a big card in high grade....but what about ANY grade? Good question.
  • smallcollectoronlyone2smallcollectoronlyone2 Posts: 21
    For rarity the 1932 caramel McKinley. No non sports card that I am aware of
    can be compared to the T206 Wagner.


  • nuhurricanenuhurricane Posts: 59
    the most expensive non-sports cards is hands down an alpha psa 10 black lotus from 1993 magic: the gathering. a bgs 9.5 that was autographed recently sold for 40k, a psa 10 sold for 29k a year ago. there are 5 psa 10's and about as many bgs 9.5's (i don't have one to look up the cert# and see but i think it's about the same i know of 3 for sure). the timeline on the card's pricing is actually quite impressive:

    2008 13.5k
    2009 17.5k
    2010 21k
    2011 29k
    2012 40k for auto'd, one on ebay for 29k

    *last and final edit...

    there may be some non-sports card that is more expensive. but if there is, i don't know it.
    http://www.psacard.com/PSASETREGISTRY/alltimeset.aspx?s=46784
  • KaKaKaKa Posts: 49
    The MTG stuff I don't see as holding value like that. Those prices, being on a very modern product would think were based on hype. Would like to see what the cards would sell again for in another 10 years. Who knows though, if they hold up and the card gaming stuff holds up, that could be realm of being an Honus of non sports. No chance the Honus will lose value, but the MTG stuff is a bit risky.
  • nuhurricanenuhurricane Posts: 59


    << <i>The MTG stuff I don't see as holding value like that. Those prices, being on a very modern product would think were based on hype. Would like to see what the cards would sell again for in another 10 years. Who knows though, if they hold up and the card gaming stuff holds up, that could be realm of being an Honus of non sports. No chance the Honus will lose value, but the MTG stuff is a bit risky. >>



    well i can promise that an alpha psa 10 / bgs 9.5 lotus will never fall below 10k in value because i'd buy all of them at that price image
    http://www.psacard.com/PSASETREGISTRY/alltimeset.aspx?s=46784
  • smallcollectoronlyone2smallcollectoronlyone2 Posts: 21
    And then what would you do with them?

    Since it would appear no one else was willing to pay 10k at the time?


  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I am thinking Mars Attacks #1 in high grade? >>



    or the checklist

    Maybe Wolverine gum Strange but True Storeis in high grade? Nothing can really compete with the McKinley however
  • CNoteCNote Posts: 2,070 ✭
    What's the back story on this McKinley card? I read a bit that only 3 are known to exist, and one was included in an REA auction, and it had some kind of factory punch in it.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    The reason.

    Good for you.
  • gregmo32gregmo32 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭
    I would agree with the 1932 Caramel McKinley.

    Although a 1977 Topps Mexican Star Wars #1 in PSA 10 would probably bring an enormous price (and will almost assuredly never be found).
    I am buying and trading for RC's of Wilt Chamberlain, George Mikan, Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, and Bob Cousy!
    Don't waste your time and fees listing on ebay before getting in touch me by PM or at gregmo32@aol.com !
  • smprattesmpratte Posts: 9
    The Pikachu Illustrator, or Pokemon Illustrator is definitely in contention as the honus Wagner of Non-sports cards. Here is a recent article from yahoo on the some of the rarest Non-sport cards.

    The Illustrator has sold before at $20,000 ungraded. Here is my Illustrator which is currently the highest graded with a PSA 9 grade. I have had offers at $20,000 for the card. It is by far one of the most valuable Non-sport cards available.
    I collect vintage hockey cards as well as pokemon cards. I currently own the largest pokemon card collection in the world.

    http://www.trophycasecards.com
  • CNoteCNote Posts: 2,070 ✭
    Thanks, Steve. Cool stuff.

    As for MTG and Pokemon....well, whatever.
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