4SC currently has over 30,000 psa 10's listed on ebay..
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anyone see anything wrong here? look at the 1975 opc rice psa 9, wow.
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So explain why this 1982 Topps Rollie Fingers card got a PSA 9 and not a 10. It can not be worth the holder it is in with this grade.
I mean lets face it every card 4SC submits gets a 10. LOL
These guys sub cards that hardly anyone would and they know they can buy so many of these commons at very inexpensive prices and if they get a 10 make back there money 10 fold.
I mean come on, a 1982 Donruss PSA 9 Steve Bedrosian. Man that must bring some huge cash!!!
This argument has been made so many times. I have never bought a card from 4SC I was not happy with.
If you buy millions of cards a year to sub you are going to get some good grades. Period.
It is cards like this that kill all of the conspiracy theories.
Don't forget though... they also have...
14,000+ PSA 9's, 1,000+ PSA 8.5's, and almost 10,000 PSA 8's!
I've had my handful or so of head-scratcher 10's from them, but overall I've been very pleased with the cards I've purchased from them. It sucks when you do get the 10 from them, that would be an 8, 8.5 or 9 if you subbed yourself... but it happens.
Then again, I know I'm generally pumped when I send in a card I think is a 9, with an outside shot at a 10... and it comes back a 10!
It happens, and considering their current inventory is 25 times the size of my PSA collection, I'm certain it happens to them more than it happens to me.
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One of my collecting fetishes, or let me say "addiction", is to complete a full Topps/Fleer/Donruss HOF collection from 1980-1986, and 4SC is an absolute necessity for me.
In addition to 4SC, and general EBAY auctions, I do submit cards.
Here is an example, 4SC will throw up an '82 Carlton PSA 10 for $90 (I'll buy from website to save $9). The card will sell, then they immediately throw up another Carlton.
If you dump 4SC's feedback into a flat file and search it for '82 Carlton's, you'll see that they've sold several. If you look more closely at the serial numbers, they are
consecutive so they are all from the same submission. I've seen as many as 5 in a row for a single card. 19095245 - 19095249. 5 for 5 trying to get 10's ??
I would be pretty confident saying that nobody else is going to get those results.
Currently, they have 10 1987 Fleer Glossy Maddux PSA 10's on EBAY, and website. Yes, I also hoard RC's and desparately need a 12 step program.
Look at the card shown, particularly the centering. Eye appeal is part of the grading and the appeal is poor. I don't bother submitting cards with that centering as
they always come back as 9's for me regardless of corners. I would venture to guess that the 10 that they have listed have sequential serial numbers, implying 10 for
10 trying to get the 10's.
1987 Maddux
During my last submission, I sent in 3 '82 Ryan's, 5 '86 Schmidt's, and a bunch of '70's cards. I was surprised to the upside for the '70's, but disgusted by
receiving 1 10 and 7 9's from the '80s submission. I bought a nifty gizmo with 10x magnification so I know what I am submitting is on the mark. I don't stretch it in that
I only submit an '80's card if centering if 50-50 front and back. OK, 1 10, it is what it is. When I compare those 9's to the same card, in 10, received from 4SC, I just scratch
my head as it's not even close in some cases.
I have no problem with 4SC receiving a sweet deal on grading fees, that's business and it's good for both sides. On the flip side, 4SC needs PSA to survive due to the
registry factor so I would think that PSA doesn't have to provide them deep deep discounts. When 4SC can throw up a modern common PSA 10 for $6.99, you know
they are paying cheap rates.
Part of this is whining, but I've really soured since my last higher $$ purchase from 4SC, a '91 Desert Shield Ryan PSA 10, and when I received it, it was a flat out 9, at best.
Very disappointing.
I've seen customer service complaints. I've had a couple of issues with 4SC, and although the service may not be the best, or fastest, they ALWAYS resolve the issue.
I'm patient so I am only concerned with the outcome and they have always come through.
I do chuckle when I see 4SC list of POP 1 of 2 card from the '80s and '90s, because you know if they are involved with that card, it ain't gonna be POP 2 for long.
Overall, I view 4SC as a necessary evil, but do congratulate Roger et al on their entrepreneurial spirit. PSA is part of a public company. Their number one priority,
like any other public entity, is to make $$$ for the share holders.
RANT COMPLETE
One of my collecting fetishes, or let me say "addiction", is to complete a full Topps/Fleer/Donruss HOF collection from 1980-1986, and 4SC is an absolute necessity for me.
In addition to 4SC, and general EBAY auctions, I do submit cards.
Here is an example, 4SC will throw up an '82 Carlton PSA 10 for $90 (I'll buy from website to save $9). The card will sell, then they immediately throw up another Carlton.
If you dump 4SC's feedback into a flat file and search it for '82 Carlton's, you'll see that they've sold several. If you look more closely at the serial numbers, they are
consecutive so they are all from the same submission. I've seen as many as 5 in a row for a single card. 19095245 - 19095249. 5 for 5 trying to get 10's ??
I would be pretty confident saying that nobody else is going to get those results.
Currently, they have 10 1987 Fleer Glossy Maddux PSA 10's on EBAY, and website. Yes, I also hoard RC's and desparately need a 12 step program.
Look at the card shown, particularly the centering. Eye appeal is part of the grading and the appeal is poor. I don't bother submitting cards with that centering as
they always come back as 9's for me regardless of corners. I would venture to guess that the 10 that they have listed have sequential serial numbers, implying 10 for
10 trying to get the 10's.
1987 Maddux
During my last submission, I sent in 3 '82 Ryan's, 5 '86 Schmidt's, and a bunch of '70's cards. I was surprised to the upside for the '70's, but disgusted by
receiving 1 10 and 7 9's from the '80s submission. I bought a nifty gizmo with 10x magnification so I know what I am submitting is on the mark. I don't stretch it in that
I only submit an '80's card if centering if 50-50 front and back. OK, 1 10, it is what it is. When I compare those 9's to the same card, in 10, received from 4SC, I just scratch
my head as it's not even close in some cases.
I have no problem with 4SC receiving a sweet deal on grading fees, that's business and it's good for both sides. On the flip side, 4SC needs PSA to survive due to the
registry factor so I would think that PSA doesn't have to provide them deep deep discounts. When 4SC can throw up a modern common PSA 10 for $6.99, you know
they are paying cheap rates.
Part of this is whining, but I've really soured since my last higher $$ purchase from 4SC, a '91 Desert Shield Ryan PSA 10, and when I received it, it was a flat out 9, at best.
Very disappointing.
I've seen customer service complaints. I've had a couple of issues with 4SC, and although the service may not be the best, or fastest, they ALWAYS resolve the issue.
I'm patient so I am only concerned with the outcome and they have always come through.
I do chuckle when I see 4SC list of POP 1 of 2 card from the '80s and '90s, because you know if they are involved with that card, it ain't gonna be POP 2 for long.
Overall, I view 4SC as a necessary evil, but do congratulate Roger et al on their entrepreneurial spirit. PSA is part of a public company. Their number one priority,
like any other public entity, is to make $$$ for the share holders.
RANT COMPLETE
<< <i>I would venture to guess that the 10 that they have listed have sequential serial numbers, implying 10 for
10 trying to get the 10's. >>
How about 31 sequential 1987 Fleer Maddox PSA 10's??
1957 Topps 99% 7.40 GPA
Hank Aaron Basic PSA 7-8(75%)
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<< <i>I would venture to guess that the 10 that they have listed have sequential serial numbers, implying 10 for
10 trying to get the 10's. >>
How about 31 sequential 1987 Fleer Maddox PSA 10's?? >>
That's unreal!!
<< <i>I just picked up 3 more PSA 10's from them today!
Don't forget though... they also have...
14,000+ PSA 9's, 1,000+ PSA 8.5's, and almost 10,000 PSA 8's!
I've had my handful or so of head-scratcher 10's from them, but overall I've been very pleased with the cards I've purchased from them. It sucks when you do get the 10 from them, that would be an 8, 8.5 or 9 if you subbed yourself... but it happens.
Then again, I know I'm generally pumped when I send in a card I think is a 9, with an outside shot at a 10... and it comes back a 10!
It happens, and considering their current inventory is 25 times the size of my PSA collection, I'm certain it happens to them more than it happens to me. >>
ALSO the hundreds of thousands cards they go though that don't submitted.
the way they submit is by review, they will send in 10,000 cards as an example. The grader will then go through all 10,000 cards , the 10's get put in a pile , the 9's etc to some minimum grade based on what they are submitting. the cards are then entered in the system. If you see 10 - 10's of the same card in a row , it could have been out of 100 or more that were sent in.
Of course my stacks were lower
Honestly, my guess is that 4SC probably has an unbeliveable price deal with PSA. Whereas we all get excited by a $4 special for modern, they probably have a $2 all the time special, maybe even less. At $2 a card, even modern 9's can be profitable
That might be low, but they have to have probably 2-4 million dollars in PSA listings.
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My personal opinion is, I stopped buying PSA 10's from 4SC. Of the last two I bought, one had a surface issue that should have kept it out of a 10 holder, and the other had soft corners that should have made it an 8 at best. But it was partly my fault on that one because they did have a big scan and I didn't look closely at it. It wasn't an expensive card but I did decide it wasn't worth it to keep buying from them as a 10 it supposed to be virtually perfect and the flaws with these two cards were completely obvious.
But I'm not saying they get favorable treatment from PSA, humans do the grading so mistakes will be made.
Essentially, you completed supported my point. Do you ever receive "accidental", or overgraded 10's ?? I don't. Where are all their 9's that didn't get the 10 ? There aren't that many.
<< <i>Has it ever occurred to you that they probably employ their own pre-graders? Do you know how much money they would save in grading fees by simply paying people to pre-grade their millions of cards? It doesn't surprise me at all about their grading success, and I do NOT attribute it to preferential treatment. I just wish they would spend a little more time trying to fill in the holes in my Ripken Basic Set... I need some help.
Has it occurred to you that 1,000 psa 10's of a 1984 Cal ripken's would be worthless? I collect the OPC sets, if you want a 10, 4SC is about the only one that has them. A year ago they were charging $25 to $30, now it's $70 - $100 for commons. And why not, who are they competing against.
<< <i>If we keep having these threads, lifeshouldbefun isn't going to keep surviving them. I don't know how he didn't get banned last 4SC thread. My personal opinion is, I stopped buying PSA 10's from 4SC. Of the last two I bought, one had a surface issue that should have kept it out of a 10 holder, and the other had soft corners that should have made it an 8 at best. But it was partly my fault on that one because they did have a big scan and I didn't look closely at it. It wasn't an expensive card but I did decide it wasn't worth it to keep buying from them as a 10 it supposed to be virtually perfect and the flaws with these two cards were completely obvious.
Essentially, you completed supported my point. Do you ever receive "accidental", or overgraded 10's ?? I don't. Where are all their 9's that didn't get the 10 ? There aren't that many. >>
I don't feel like I've ever gotten an overgraded 10. But to be honest I haven't gotten all that many 10's.
I enjoy your posts and hope you don't get carried away and get banned like Neil did.
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<< <i>Has it ever occurred to you that they probably employ their own pre-graders? Do you know how much money they would save in grading fees by simply paying people to pre-grade their millions of cards? It doesn't surprise me at all about their grading success, and I do NOT attribute it to preferential treatment. I just wish they would spend a little more time trying to fill in the holes in my Ripken Basic Set... I need some help.
Has it occurred to you that 1,000 psa 10's of a 1984 Cal ripken's would be worthless? I collect the OPC sets, if you want a 10, 4SC is about the only one that has them. A year ago they were charging $25 to $30, now it's $70 - $100 for commons. And why not, who are they competing against.
I care less about their "value" and more about completing the set. I don't want to pay out the ass for a "manufactured low pop" card. Submit away! Besides, when we're talking about modern cards, ins't everyone's mantra "there is no such thing as a low-pop modern card"? Aren't they just cards that haven't been graded yet"?
The reality is, all PR, even if mostly negative here on these boards continues to bring them more and more business.
I wonder how many have read this thread over the past day, and went and bought a few cards from them???
I would think 4SC will only continue to get bigger and bigger. Kind of one of those things where we have to just suck it up and deal.
My only experiences were positive with them, some 9's and 10's for my 77 set.
I hope no one else gets banned.
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