Anyone here buy this rack pack with 3 HOFers on top?
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Justin
Retired - Eddie Mathews Master Registry Set (96.36%) Rank 1
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Seaver card is normally located in sleeve next to header card, not the far right section. >>
So was there some sort of monkey business going on there?
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<< <i>Seaver card is normally located in sleeve next to header card, not the far right section. >>
So was there some sort of monkey business going on there? >>
Curt Schilling and John Kruk say it is definitey within the realm of possibility.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>i looked at this rack several times and noticed the same thing grote something just doesnt smell right about that rack..i have never seen seaver in that slot either >>
Consider the seller I guess!
Actually I posted it in the show me your rack thread too.
I actually had the one the OP posted in my watch list, but have spent too much as of late. Couldn't see spending $300 for it.
Kruk 77 Rack
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
<< <i>I was considering bidding on the rack. The seller has been around for a long time. If it was someone I never heard of, I would definitely stay away. I have heard people have had customer service type issues with this seller but it there a question of their integrity? >>
Since they move large volumes, it doesn't surprise me that a questionable pack could make it in. It is possible they are not hip to the sequencing of star cards within rack packs.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>What do you think of this one? Bought it a couple months back from the same seller. I'll post scans later, but looks legit to me, I showed it to Cincy as well.
Actually I posted it in the show me your rack thread too.
I actually had the one the OP posted in my watch list, but have spent too much as of late. Couldn't see spending $300 for it.
Kruk 77 Rack >>
Hey Mike, I did see your rack when you posted it on Manny's thread and I knew it was good from the back right away. I just checked the front cards and they are also in the correct sections. Great bottom star power right there!!!
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Just wondering, so many of you seriously know your stuff with these racks, cello's, etc.
I've bought from Kruk a good 20 times over the last several years, I never had one problem. If anything he gave discounts when asked if I bought multiple boxes or cases.
I've seen where the customer service isn't good on threads here, but I have had great experiences with the seller, and the same through his store on the net.
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
<< <i>So is it impossible then for the rack the OP posted to have those stars showing? >>
Well, the Carew and Yount are in the correct sections, but when you add the fact that a third HOF on top is in the wrong section, my antenna goes up. If he included a scan of the back, it would enable me to see if it is possible that a factory error occurred rather than a resealing job. They also spelled the names of the two common players wrong, but I can figure out who they are. For $300 plus, I better be 100% sure and I was just not there on this one.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
Probably as soon as Mr. Schillito makes a call, my guess
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I bought this rack. I'll post scans of the front and back when I receive the item. $300+ is high but '77 is my favorite year (first year collecting as a 7yo kid) and if it's a legit rack with 4 HOFers showing, it's something very special. Also, it looks to me like Kruk's return policy is pretty iron clad so I felt confident in ordering.
"if for any reason you are not satisfied, we offer a 14 day return policy
and we will reimburse you for return shipping. A 100% refund will be issued as
long as items are returned unopened and un-tampered."
I also have PayPal and Amex behind me if I run into any issues so I didn't feel like I needed to be 100% sure before buying. I am *really, really* hoping that it's legit though.
BTW - I've been meaning to throw out thread for a while now to introduce myself (or just do it in Muggy's thread). I've caught this stinkin' unopened pack bug and I can't seem to get rid of it.
Doug
<< <i>Hi Everyone,
I bought this rack. I'll post scans of the front and back when I receive the item. $300+ is high but '77 is my favorite year (first year collecting as a 7yo kid) and if it's a legit rack with 4 HOFers showing, it's something very special. Also, it looks to me like Kruk's return policy is pretty iron clad so I felt confident in ordering.
"if for any reason you are not satisfied, we offer a 14 day return policy
and we will reimburse you for return shipping. A 100% refund will be issued as
long as items are returned unopened and un-tampered."
I also have PayPal and Amex behind me if I run into any issues so I didn't feel like I needed to be 100% sure before buying. I am *really, really* hoping that it's legit though.
BTW - I've been meaning to throw out thread for a while now to introduce myself (or just do it in Muggy's thread). I've caught this stinkin' unopened pack bug and I can't seem to get rid of it.
Doug >>
I love the 77's as well Doug. I was 8 back then so I know where you are coming from. There are a lot of knowledgeable guys on here so feel free to ask when in doubt. Hope this one turns out ok for you.
Doug
Who sent me Schillito when stuck
His always prompt billings
And obvious shillings
Earned him the nickname of "schmuck."
Front from Scanner
Back from Scanner
Seaver from Scanner
Back of the Seaver Section
Bottom Corner Picture
Top Corner Picture
Top Seal
Top Seal Close Up
in the picture with the top of the Seaver section i can see a double jugged edge
that is clear evidence that the top of that section has been opened and resealed!! no doubt
You confirmed what I feared. I guess you might have been able to tell that by my picture choices that I was afraid the top of the Seaver section looked bad. The top of that section also has vertical impressions in the seal where the other sections don't. Crud! I *really* wanted that pack to be legit.
At least I was able to pick up that sweet '77 Schmidt/McCovey cello from you last week.
Doug
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Hopefully this thread can be used by others to spot a resealed rack. I know that I often see threads asking if rack packs can be tampered with and how to spot them. >>
are you returning it for a refund?
IMF
the seaver looks to have the same top as the yount, so i should assume that was resealed too?
the carew does appear to have a straight top, so is that the unsealed section?
<< <i>sorry, what do you mean by "double jugged"?
the seaver looks to have the same top as the yount, so i should assume that was resealed too?
the carew does appear to have a straight top, so is that the unsealed section? >>
there is no close up of the Carew edge only the Seaver edge, so that is where you need to look
BTW - I just spoke with Steve over at Kruk Cards and he couldn't have been nicer. After hearing of my concerns, he offered me a full refund and will cover my return shipping costs as well. I know they can get bad press on these boards sometimes so I feel obligated to point out that they stepped up to the plate here.
Doug
<< <i>(Correct me if you are wrong Jose) - I think what he means by "Double Jugged" is that the jagged edges at the top of the Seaver section don't line up. They do line up above the Yount, and above the Carew there is so much curling that it's hard to tell. Since the rack pack gets cut in the factory after the seal is complete, the jagged edges should always line up.
BTW - I just spoke with Steve over at Kruk Cards and he couldn't have been nicer. After hearing of my concerns, he offered me a full refund and will cover my return shipping costs as well. I know they can get bad press on these boards sometimes so I feel obligated to point out that they stepped up to the plate here.
Doug >>
Glad to hear it ended well
<< <i>Doug,
in the picture with the top of the Seaver section i can see a double jugged edge
that is clear evidence that the top of that section has been opened and resealed!! no doubt >>
StarPaxMan is correct. Moreover it is quite obvious that the horizontal seals above both the Yount & Seaver cells have been completely obliterated during the process of opening the cells, adding star cards, and then resealing the two cells with a heat bearing process. Very poorly done and Kruk cards, who has been in the unopened business for quite some time, knows better!!
I would then proceed to talk with PayPal in regards to how they want a counterfeited item to be "dealt" with and I would be shipping this rack pack back to the seller completely opened with the plastic destroyed so it can never be resealed. I would be perfectly within my rights also to do it this way thanks to their policies on counterfeit products, hell eBay/ PayPal might even tell me to NOT send any of the cards back and just prove that the product was completely destroyed.
I mean who here doesn't doubt that if this rack is sent back unopened that the wonderful seller will end up reselling it to someone else through some other venue?