Does this 1980 Ripken WBTV look off to anyone else?

tunahead08 · April 9, 2012 6:53AM

Link

The O looks more red than orange and the top white line looks a bit too straight...

Thoughts?

Sean1125 · April 9, 2012 7:03AM

I trust PSA's opinion here.

tunahead08 · April 9, 2012 7:08AM

Compare it to this image... look at the difference in the color of the O and the difference in the top white line

The O color could be just the scan, but the top white border still concerns me.

Sean1125 · April 9, 2012 7:11AM

I understand.

Just because something is a slightly different tone doesn't make it counterfeit, there are always variances in print.

That image looks like the one from ripkenintheminors, which seems like years old scan, which just may not have picked up the color correctly (its quality makes it look very old as opposed to the scan of the one graded by psa)

Sean1125 · April 9, 2012 7:16AM

Taking a more better look, the seats, numbers, and blue border all around look darker... Maybe it is just the sellers scan.

tunahead08 · April 9, 2012 7:19AM

<< I understand.

Just because something is a slightly different tone doesn't make it counterfeit, there are always variances in print.

That image looks like the one from ripkenintheminors, which seems like years old scan, which just may not have picked up the color correctly (its quality makes it look very old as opposed to the scan of the one graded by psa) >>

I don't remember ever saying that it was counterfeit?

Sean1125 · April 9, 2012 7:21AM

It seems to be implied in your first post...

tunahead08 · April 9, 2012 7:25AM

From RipkenInTheMinors section on how to spot fakes:

"The color of the O's logo is the first sign of the authenticity of this card. Authentic copies of this card have a very bright orange O's logo, while fake varieities of this card typically have a reddish-orange logo. For example, consider the logos below

This is the O's logo on the front of an authenticated copy of the 1980 WBTV Charlotte Orioles card of Cal Ripken, Jr. Notice the brightness of the orange is in the O's logo. Although this may not seem like much, consider the color of the logo on the left in contrast to the O's logo on a counterfeit."

"Possibly by a twist of fate, the white border that surrounds the image of the 19 year old infielder is a shield protecting collectors from counterfeit copies some 26 years later. On all of the cards in the set, the image is surrounded by a white border. On the Ripken card, the white border protects collectors in two ways:

First, the width of the vertical white line is greater on the right side than the left side on authentic copies of the WBTV Ripken. However, this probably isn't a worry for many willing to risk counterfeiting the card.

Second, the horizontal white line in the border isn't a perfect line at the top and bottom of the frame on an authentic WBTV Ripken. "

Unfortunately, doesn't look like the images on that section are currently working. But after having read that, I wouldn't touch that card on eBay.

lifeshouldbefun · April 9, 2012 7:39AM

Kind of like Find Waldo. They are CLEARLY different cards. Border thickness, font, spacing, and alignment of "Cal Ripken", and more.
I do not know the card well enough, but one is definitely fake. Hopefully you pick the right one

EagleEyeKid · April 9, 2012 8:07AM

Okay, I will say it and I hope I'm wrong.
Recalling all the fake blue ones that Bigboydsportscards were selling, they
all look like the one in the PSA holder with the dull blue and Ripken getting some sun.
I don't think it's the scanner on the PSA card.

Here's a real raw one to compare:

EagleEyeKid · April 9, 2012 8:09AM

How the heck did my avatar change on it's own? Everyone's getting that penny avatar.
What's going on?

Sean1125 · April 9, 2012 8:24AM

Did anyone click a suspicious link lately? I would check computers for virii.

EagleEyeKid · April 9, 2012 8:31AM

My original avatar name isn't even in their database.
My computer is clean. No friggin idea what's goin on.

orioles93 · April 9, 2012 8:34AM

The one in the PSA holder looks like a fake to me. Doesnt look right.

jeffcbay · April 9, 2012 8:42AM

That's a fake. Fake. Fake. Fake. The O's logo is wrong (too red). The white border is wrong (too straight and thick... that's what she said). The slab doesn't even look good to me. All bad. Where's RipkenInTheMinors when you need him? I haven't seen him in forever. Also, his site is still up but the images are all missing. Sucks... that site was a great resource for Ripken's minor league cards.

lifeshouldbefun · April 9, 2012 9:14AM

That's a fake. Fake. Fake. Fake. The O's logo is wrong (too red). The white border is wrong (too straight and thick... that's what she said). The slab doesn't even look good to me. All bad. Where's RipkenInTheMinors when you need him? I haven't seen him in forever. Also, his site is still up but the images are all missing. Sucks... that site was a great resource for Ripken's minor league cards.

I trust Jess just because of his LOGO

lifeshouldbefun · April 9, 2012 9:16AM

How the heck did my avatar change on it's own? Everyone's getting that penny avatar. What's going on?

My changed to a penny from my Penn State logo a week ago. Who knows, who cares. In my case, maybe it's an omen about Penn State

trex · April 9, 2012 9:19AM

Look at the "frost line" on the left side of the holder. Then there is some sort of disruption on the upper 2/3 of the card on the left. When you crack a PSA holder, if you get a clean crack, the first thing you see is this frost line, down or up from where you're cracking. I'm not that familiar with the card, but the case sure looks compromised.

tunahead08 · April 9, 2012 9:28AM

<< Look at the "frost line" on the left side of the holder. Then there is some sort of disruption on the upper 2/3 of the card on the left. When you crack a PSA holder, if you get a clean crack, the first thing you see is this frost line, down or up from where you're cracking. I'm not that familiar with the card, but the case sure looks compromised. >>

I'm hoping what you are seeing is right, and the case was cracked and a fake inserted. Otherwise, looks like it's either a fake slab with a fake card, or PSA slabbed a fake.

trex · April 9, 2012 9:51AM

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<< Look at the "frost line" on the left side of the holder. Then there is some sort of disruption on the upper 2/3 of the card on the left. When you crack a PSA holder, if you get a clean crack, the first thing you see is this frost line, down or up from where you're cracking. I'm not that familiar with the card, but the case sure looks compromised. >>

I'm hoping what you are seeing is right, and the case was cracked and a fake inserted. Otherwise, looks like it's either a fake slab with a fake card, or PSA slabbed a fake. >>

Like I said, I'm not that familiar with the card, but I do know when you get a clean crack on a PSA holder you get this frost line, above or below where you're cracking. Now, I suppose anything is possible, but it would be fairly difficult to get a card through that space between the disruption and where the frost line stops. I could be done, but I would think you would see some scratching or other disruptions on the card...unless they're really good.

ripkenintheminors · April 9, 2012 10:34AM

Thanks Don for the link back here.

I would run from that card. Nothing about the card appears authentic. This of course begs the question if PSA slabbed a counterfeit.

My apologies about the site. A glitch with the server broke the image links. Life circumstances have kept me away from fixing the site.

Someone is about to lose their shirt.

ripkenintheminors · April 9, 2012 10:38AM

Based on the slab it was graded pre-2008. PSA changed the flip at that time for the Charlotte issues.

jeffcbay · April 9, 2012 10:44AM

Good to see you back on here Chris!

trex · April 9, 2012 10:47AM

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This of course begs the question if PSA slabbed a counterfeit.

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No!!!!!!!

jeffcbay · April 9, 2012 10:49AM

So the same seller has this 1981 Rochester Redwings Ripken card, and it has consecutive cert number to the 1980 Charlotte O's card. It appears that PSA may have slabbed that counterfeit.

Does anyone have access to VCP so they can see if there is a history of any sale (along with a scan) of that particular Charlotte O's card and cert number?

ripkenintheminors · April 9, 2012 10:54AM

Thanks. Wouldn't that be crazy if fake Rochester and Charlotte issues landed in PSA holders in the same sub. For the longest the only issue of a fake in a PSA slab was a WTF card. They have been the source when it comes to buying a legit Ripken. Anyone know Joe O's e-mail address? I would love to be able to alert him and get his thoughts. PSA has been good in regards to discussing Cal's minor league cards with me in the past. Took awhile at first but after building some cred they have been willing to listen. Either way that card is going to sell for a ton.

tunahead08 · April 10, 2012 4:37AM

Still at $655, hopefully this doesn't jump up too much higher

jmmiller777 · April 10, 2012 5:11AM

Goosh, are the PSA holders even real? Anyone run the numbers here? This card doesn't even look like an 8, pretty ruff corners. It sure looks blurry to me too. I wouldn't touch it.

ripkenintheminors · April 10, 2012 8:14AM

<< Goosh, are the PSA holders even real? Anyone run the numbers here? This card doesn't even look like an 8, pretty ruff corners. It sure looks blurry to me too. I wouldn't touch it. >>

The cert checks out in the database.

ripkenintheminors · April 10, 2012 11:00AM

Sent a note to Joe and heard back immediately. Joe did not comment on the specific card in question but said that PSA will review any slabbed card with concerns over authenticity.

The only good that can come from this is the fact that PSA stands behind what they slab.

$760.00 with 10 minutes left.

ripkenintheminors · April 10, 2012 11:09AM

$1,624...........

Dpeck100 · April 10, 2012 11:11AM

Man that got serious at the end.

What have past examples of this card sold for?

ripkenintheminors · April 10, 2012 11:14AM

The $1,600+ range is the norm for a PSA 8. I have not checked the pop reports in awhile but the last time I checked a PSA 8 was the highest grade out there for the WBTV Ripken.

tunahead08 · April 10, 2012 12:00PM

<< Sent a note to Joe and heard back immediately. Joe did not comment on the specific card in question but said that PSA will review any slabbed card with concerns over authenticity.

The only good that can come from this is the fact that PSA stands behind what they slab.

$760.00 with 10 minutes left. >>

Unfortunately the winner may not even realize it's possibly fake, and just trusting in the slab to be accurate.

ripkenintheminors · April 11, 2012 9:31AM

You write truth. Time will tell.

Does this 1980 Ripken WBTV look off to anyone else?

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