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This Stinks. Ugh

MeferMefer Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭
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Had some grades post today. This horror popped up:

4 1 19897587 N1: EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING 1933 GOUDEY 61 MAX BISHOP Card

Thing is this card was in an SGC 7 holder. I cracked and submitted with confidence. Considering what I paid for this card (not life altering but still a lot) I really have no choice but to submit it again sometime in the distant future.

I am still pretty shocked about this. Crappola; what a way to start "Good Friday."

Matt

Comments

  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    Been there, done that. SGC is NOT the be all to end all that everyone talks them up to be.
  • YogiBerraFanYogiBerraFan Posts: 2,390 ✭✭
    Ouch!
  • MeferMefer Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Been there, done that. SGC is NOT the be all to end all that everyone talks them up to be. >>



    Agreed but considering they slabbed it and once I cracked it, I personally could not see any signs of alleged trimming, I was confident. Shoot, I still am confident. I had thought about speaking to Joe about the issue but I'll just resubmit later down the line.

    All told, whoever graded the submission this came from was absolutely brutal. In fact, I would say the graders were too harsh. Of course, we all tend to overgrade our own cards but man, this was a beating IMHO. I had some that while I had no visions of them pulling 9s or 10s, I felt very confident they would settle nicely in 8 or 8.5 holders. No dice. There will actually be a couple more crack and resubmits from this invoice. That drives me nuts but I guess what can you do; grading is inherently subjective no matter who is doing the grading.

    Matt
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    I could tell you some stories about an SGC '3' that made multiple trips to NJ and Cali........drives me bonkers.
  • jimradjimrad Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Been there, done that. SGC is NOT the be all to end all that everyone talks them up to be. >>




    Been there, done that. PSA is NOT the be all to end all that everyone talks them up to be.
    Positive transactions with: Bkritz,Bosox1976,Brick,captainthreeputt,cpettimd,craigger,cwazzy,DES1984,Dboneesq,daddymc,Downtown1974,EAsports,EagleEyeKid,fattymacs,gameusedhoop,godblessUSA,goose3,KatsCards,mike22y2k,
    MULLINS5,1966CUDA,nam812,nightcrawler,OAKESY25,PowderedH2O,relaxed,RonBurgundy,samsgirl214,shagrotn77,swartz1,slantycouch,Statman,Wabittwax
  • JustinsShoeboxJustinsShoebox Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭
    Try and resub. I'm sure you'll get some numbered results at some point (which is stupid - but happens).

    Justin
    Retired - Eddie Mathews Topps Master Registry (100% Complete) Rank 1

    Retired - Eddie Mathews Master Registry Set (96.36%) Rank 1
  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭
    For what it's worth here's my 1933 Goudey Non-Sport crossovers (crack and sub) from SGC to PSA...

    1933 Goudey Indian Gum SGC to PSA results
  • MeferMefer Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Been there, done that. PSA is NOT the be all to end all that everyone talks them up to be >>



    This argument has been rehashed and rehased. Nothing new to add here. Just had more problems with SGC than with PSA. To each his own....carry on.
  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,251 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Been there, done that. PSA is NOT the be all to end all that everyone talks them up to be >>



    This argument has been rehashed and rehased. Nothing new to add here. Just had more problems with SGC than with PSA. To each his own....carry on. >>



    Sour grapes.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Sour grapes >>



    On whose part.....jimrad?
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    Sorry to hear your bad results. Hopefully you will eventually get it to cross over. I have a feeling that after you saw your results you were screaming the LONG version of your screen name! LOL
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • MeferMefer Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Sorry to hear your bad results. Hopefully you will eventually get it to cross over. I have a feeling that after you saw your results you were screaming the LONG version of your screen name! LOL >>



    Ha. I've cooled down some. I will just figure I am owed on another sub I am waiting for. image

    Matt
  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭✭
    I agree with Bobby and this is my reasoning..... I collect a very select group of players like Mantle, aaron and Mays. The pop reports for some Mantle's in SGC 92 are very low like 2-3 on some cards. I'm going to make my point.... When a SGC 92 comes up for sale it's almost always not centered. They only have a few of those type cards in those grades and they mess it up. It's like a NBA player missing both FT's when they only need 1 to tie. I've lost alot of confidence in them. I buy very few SGC cards anymore.

    Mickey71
  • Yankees001Yankees001 Posts: 1,496 ✭
    Well, that's a bad start to your weekend. Hopefully it gets better for you.

    Dave
  • mtcardsmtcards Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭
    Issues like these always bring into question inconsistent grading. If it goes to PSA and comes back EOT, it should come back EOT EVERY SINGLE TIME. If it doesnt then there is something wrong with how they are being graded.
    IT IS ALWAYS CHEAPER TO NOT SELL ON EBAY
  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,388 ✭✭✭✭✭
    SGC still sucks!
  • fkwfkw Posts: 1,766 ✭✭
    Submit it again... it'll pass
    PSA usually only double dips ya......


    PSA = "Please Submit Again"
  • jimradjimrad Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Sour grapes >>



    On whose part.....jimrad? >>



    haha - not me. I only posted because I don't feel any grading company gets it right 100% of the time.
    I have no problem with SGC or PSA because I only value the card not the grading company.
    Positive transactions with: Bkritz,Bosox1976,Brick,captainthreeputt,cpettimd,craigger,cwazzy,DES1984,Dboneesq,daddymc,Downtown1974,EAsports,EagleEyeKid,fattymacs,gameusedhoop,godblessUSA,goose3,KatsCards,mike22y2k,
    MULLINS5,1966CUDA,nam812,nightcrawler,OAKESY25,PowderedH2O,relaxed,RonBurgundy,samsgirl214,shagrotn77,swartz1,slantycouch,Statman,Wabittwax
  • hammeredhammered Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Been there, done that. PSA is NOT the be all to end all that everyone talks them up to be >>



    This argument has been rehashed and rehased. Nothing new to add here. Just had more problems with SGC than with PSA. To each his own....carry on. >>





    Did you just quote yourself there?
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    Nope...I was saying...this particular argument has been posted again and again on the boards......
  • CEOBIDMCCEOBIDMC Posts: 275
    resubmit, on try number three you will get it.
  • soundgardsoundgard Posts: 650 ✭


    << <i>


    PSA = "Please Submit Again" >>



    image
  • SullyknowsSullyknows Posts: 104 ✭✭
    Sub it again, you will be happy!

    SGC is great for those that prefer that standard, they are not the bulk of the collecting group.
  • MeferMefer Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭
    I do plan to resubmit somewhere down the road. It will be a while since it is really the only pre 1957 card I have that is worth submitting. It literally could be a year or more before I submit it.

    In any event, I have one outstanding grading sub. I plan to wait and see what that one brings. After this last sub, I am literally gun shy in submitting for a good long while. Historically, I have gone in spurts anyways with my submissions. This just pushed me towards the down swing.

    As a point of clarification, I did not intend this thread as a knock on PSA. I am generally happy with their service. However, there are many head scratchers (including another issue I have but I will not go into) with the grading. Once you realize grading is inherently subjective, there is not much more than you can do but accept these things happen. It is still frustrating and a pain in the 'ole behind, but it happens, it will happen, and will continue to happen. Perfection is simply not possible.

    When it comes right down to it, PSA is the gold standard in grading; by that I mean, it is the most trusted within the collecting community and, generally speaking, cards graded by PSA command a premium over other graders. That is why I grade with PSA, pure and simple. In any event, even if another grading company was the leader within the industry, these same issues would arise. You can't escape the subjective nature of the game.

    Still bummed but not going to turn over cars over it.

    Matt
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