19th Century Danish Gold: Adjustment Marks, Roller Marks, Counting Machine Marks?

Lehigh96

Okay, I need some help. Please view the coins shown below and tell me whether they exhibit adjustment marks, roller marks, or counting machine marks. Thank you!

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If you think the marks were caused by some other process than the 3 listed, please feel free to give your theory.

7Jaguars

Pre-strike planchet striations. They look a bit regular to be weight adjustment however. Planchet and/or strip marking regardles; I think these are going to be classed as planchet adjustment marks.

Lehigh96

<< <i>Pre-strike planchet striations. They look a bit regular to be weight adjustment however. Planchet and/or strip marking regardles; I think these are going to be classed as planchet adjustment marks. >>



All of them?

MrEureka

All of them exhibit what I would call roller marks, not adjustment marks.

DeiGratia

Hmmm I don't think they made pre-strike planchet adjustments so late into the 19th century / early 20th century.

I could be wrong....
Most likely I am wrong...

MacCrimmon

Yep, roller marks. I had 5-6 otherwise pristine 1906 Swiss 20 francs at one time with very light, wispy 'banding' almost identical to your 1890 DMK.

TwoKopeiki

Too long and parallel to be planchet adjustment - them there be roller marks.

TwoKopeiki

<< <i>Pre-strike planchet striations. They look a bit regular to be weight adjustment however. Planchet and/or strip marking regardles; I think these are going to be classed as planchet adjustment marks. >>



7Jaguars is still correct, though. Roller marks are a form of planchet striations.

Lehigh96

Is there nobody that thinks that any of these coins have PMD?

TwoKopeiki

<< <i>Is there nobody that thinks that any of these coins have PMD? >>



The only one I'm not 100% sure about is the last one.

7Jaguars

I'll put my money on pre-strike roller marks on the last one as well as you can see where the coin's strike has begun to obliterate these lines...

TwoKopeiki

<< <i>I'll put my money on pre-strike roller marks on the last one as well as you can see where the coin's strike has begun to obliterate these lines... >>



My only concern is lack of change in the depth of those line as they go from fields into design elements and back.

Lehigh96

I have been a little coy but anyone interested in a good read, check out the link below.

MS65 if it were without the adjustment marks

TwoKopeiki

<< <i>I have been a little coy but anyone interested in a good read, check out the link below.

MS65 if it were without the adjustment marks >>



Doug is a pretty knowledgeable guy, but I didn't find him to be the most open-minded debater.

Lehigh96

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<< <i>I have been a little coy but anyone interested in a good read, check out the link below.

MS65 if it were without the adjustment marks >>



Doug is a pretty knowledgeable guy, but I didn't find him to be the most open-minded debater. >>



IMO, his contention that these marks are caused by counting machines is utterly preposterous.

7Jaguars

Dos Kopecki -
I think I see what you mean about the striations, but if you look at where a vertical clothing line crosses these striations, it seems most of the lines [at least to my poor eyes] do fade?
Counting marks? NOT(!), and I do not agree whatsoever.
I still do not understand how in that link they exclude other pre-strike planchet, or more likely sheet rolling marks or other contacts to the metal sheets prior to punching planchets out.