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Will Ichiro be in the HOF, and if so, on what attempt?

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Please note, the question is not what your personal opinion is on the issue of his inclusion, but whether or not the voters will put him in.
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  • TomiTomi Posts: 643 ✭✭✭
    Yes. Probably 1st ballot but could depend who else is eligible that year.
  • ddfamfddfamf Posts: 507 ✭✭
    Yes - first ballot without difficulty

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  • orioles93orioles93 Posts: 3,474 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I dont know how he wouldnt get in first ballot.
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  • rexvosrexvos Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I dont know how he wouldnt get in first ballot. >>



    this.
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  • PowderedH2OPowderedH2O Posts: 2,443 ✭✭
    Oh, there are ways. Pete Rose and Rafael Palmeiro looked like sure thing first ballot HOFers once upon a time too. But, barring some sort of scandal, I can't imagine Ichiro's numbers not getting him in on the first try.
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  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He's in. I hope he gets 3000 hits to add to the rest of his accomplishments. From what I have seen and read, he's a good guy as well!
  • GB5HOFGB5HOF Posts: 590 ✭
    1st Ballot HOFer for sure.
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭✭
    First ballot lock.
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  • hammeredhammered Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭
    If he retired today, I don't feel he is first ballot. HOF, but not first ballot
    He will likely hang around to get 3000 hits, and at that point he is a lock for entry on first ballot
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>He's in. I hope he gets 3000 hits to add to the rest of his accomplishments. From what I have seen and read, he's a good guy as well! >>




    I agree he is 1st ballot however Ive read the opposite of him, I heard he is an absolute jerk and very selfish player.
  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>He's in. I hope he gets 3000 hits to add to the rest of his accomplishments. From what I have seen and read, he's a good guy as well! >>




    I agree he is 1st ballot however Ive read the opposite of him, I heard he is an absolute jerk and very selfish player. >>


    Definitely a selfish player. Jerk? That one kinda depends on who you're talking to.

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  • zendudezendude Posts: 208 ✭✭

    He's a lock for the HOF. Probably no more than 3 ballots and he's in. The writers are pretty unpredictable these days though. They seem to have an axe to grind with pretty much anyone that played in the steroid era.
  • jivanjivan Posts: 1,009 ✭
    he will not get in...a full time juicer....
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  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭
    1st ballot
  • AC000000AC000000 Posts: 257 ✭✭✭
    MVP, ROY, AS MVP, 10x All-Star (currently), 10x Gold Glove, 2x Batting Champ, single season single record holder. Unless through some conflagration of events he was on there the first time with say an ARod, and a Pujols, Rivera, something like that, Suzuki is a lock for a 1st ballot election to the HOF.
  • 48leafpsa48leafpsa Posts: 116
    the tougher question is, will his induction speech be in english or japanese? ありがとう
  • PeteZariaPeteZaria Posts: 288
    Lock for the HOF, but I'm not sure if he's a 1st ballot lock just yet. Jim Rice had better numbers, and it took him a while.
  • CNoteCNote Posts: 2,070 ✭
    1st ballot, over 90%
  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1st......easily.
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  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    1st, lock.

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  • arexarex Posts: 999 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I dont know how he wouldnt get in first ballot. >>



    this. >>


    Completely agree. What he did in his 1st 10 seasons in MLB is good enough to clinch him in as a 1st ballot. Add in what he did in Japan (i know it doesnt count but the voters would be remiss to ignore it) and its a no brainer
  • TheTalkingWalnutTheTalkingWalnut Posts: 444
    See the above post. HOF on what he did here; first ballot on what he did in Japan and here combined.

    I don't like the guy one bit. Anytime a selfish player influenced games so he could break the single season hit record is bush league merde. But oh my goodness, look at his stats. I put him above everyone except guys like Tony Gwynn, Cobb, Ruth and Williams. But I can't stand the guy.
  • CubbyCubby Posts: 2,096 ✭
    Ichiro should get in , 1st ballot easily


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  • NVbaseballNVbaseball Posts: 572


    << <i>If he retired today, I don't feel he is first ballot. HOF, but not first ballot
    He will likely hang around to get 3000 hits, and at that point he is a lock for entry on first ballot >>



    He is 38 and coming off a year with a .335 slugging percentage. It is highly doubtful anything he does from now on will improve his chances. If he isn't already a first ballot selection, he won't be

    But if anyone wants to make an even-money wager, I would bet a years salary he makes in on the first ballot. Based just on what he has done with Seattle he is below the Hall-of-Fame standard. Give him credit for the years in Japan and he is well above it. Then add "Fame" to the equation and very hard to see 25% not voting for him
  • CEOBIDMCCEOBIDMC Posts: 275
    the greatest, overrated singles hitter in baseball history.
  • PowderedH2OPowderedH2O Posts: 2,443 ✭✭
    This is a prime example of why stats like OPS+ are so valuable. On the surface, you see a guy like him and compare him to say, Joe Morgan, and it seems silly. Ichiro has a batting average over 50 points better and all of these gaudy 200+ hit seasons, and it is clear that Ichiro is the far better player. Then, when you start digging into the other numbers, well, the numbers reveal the truth... the ugly truth... Ichiro has only walked 496 times in eleven seasons (an average of 46 walks per 162 games), he has virtually no power, strikes out a fair amount for a guy with his power numbers, never sacrifices... Here's a perfect example of Ichiro: In 2007 he had 238 hits. That's HUGE!!! 238 hits is the 18th highest total in major league history. He had a total of 292 total bases. 292. Total. How is that possible? There are at least 40-50 active guys that have had seasons more than that. The top 500 cuts off at 327, so I am guessing that 292 ranks somewhere around 1000 all time? Even the year he broke the hit record with 262 hits, he only had 320 total bases, which wouldn't be in the top 500.

    My thought is this. Ichiro will make the HOF because of the hits, the average, the international celebrity, and the Gold Gloves. First ballot, no question. In truth, he is probably about the equivalent of Jose Cruz or Amos Otis.
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  • BearDownChicagoBearsBearDownChicagoBears Posts: 81
    He gets in. I would say by the third ballot on the absolute latest and it would not surprise me if he was first ballot.
  • markj111markj111 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭
    Why is this a question? Of course he will get in. The ballot is irrelevant. It will be an early one.
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