Grade for this OGH Double Eagle?

drysideshooter

This is in an old green holder. Any opinions on what the current grade of this coin would be would be most appreciated.

ebizgobro

I like this beautiful coin.

I can't tell if the scratch is on the neck or the holder.

I guess MS64.

crypto79

AU58 but I could see a 55 grade as I never know how gold was graded back then. I would take a glass to the bottom of her neck and look for signs of treatment or rub

MikeInFL

63 is my guess.

drysideshooter

<< <i>I like this beautiful coin.

I can't tell if the scratch is on the neck or the holder.

I guess MS64. >>



The scratch at the neck, the one that is running at about a 45 degree angle, higher towards the front of the neck, is in the coin. Do you still think maybe MS64?

chipper10

MS 62

roadrunner

Looks to be a solid 63 maybe even a shot at +.

But imo just a bit too much obv field chatter to be a 64. Luster looks to be quite average as well. Sometimes real blasty luster can give you a 1/2 grade bump.
The coin doesn't scream MS64 shot to me but I believe it still has a small shot...esp if those 4 or 5 horiz hairlines are on the holder, which I'd bet they are.
A fairly clean looking $20 without the usual preponderance of heavy bagmarks, gouges, and rim cuts/bangs seen on most 62's and 63's. No hits on face, eye brow, nose,
neck, bonnet/hair, eagle, etc. It's a deceptively subtle coin that probably looks better in hand than the photo shows. With the lighting used every field luster graze looks like
magnified. Reverse is 64. No sign of wear anywhere. And no usual flatness/scraping seen on the cheek which is pretty common to 63's and 62's. But the left and right obv
field chatter/grazes and luster blast are the limiting features. Everything else is good enough to be 64. While these are of similar size to Morgan dollars, they don't get graded
at all like Morgans. Figure the same marks on a 63 Morgan would make a $20 Lib essentially a MS64. The 45 deg scratch on the neck would not keep it from 64 or 65 on its own.


Based on the photos I would like more sizzle or slightly cleaner fields for a 64. And if the obv hairlines are on the coin, that doesn't help at all. I'd be ok buying said coin whether
graded 63 or 64. As a 62 or lower...sign me up. This is a very clean $20 Lib. And I've seen identical coins to this in existing 64 TPG holders....but not 1906-S's.

jdimmick

Ms-62

TWQG

AU-55. I see wear.

robkool

MS63...

chipper10

After you get a fair number of replies are you going to reveal the current grade?

BryceM

My initial thought was 62. It might get a 63. It's hard to know what's on the slab and what's on the coin. You get a small bump above melt for 63 but you don't see a substantial increase in value until you hit 64. I doubt you'll get that. It's a gorgeous coin and I'd be very happy to have it in my collection.

PerryHall

Looks NS63 from your pics. In hand, I may grade it differently.

HighRelief

I would say it is a solid MS63 not seeing any of the rub others see.

Nice gold Double Eagle Drysideshooter, I like the frost on it

TheBigB

I vote ms63.

tydye

A very nice 63

secondrepublic

My first thought was 64 under current grading, but it could also go 63 depending on luster and how it looks in-hand

drysideshooter

Thank you for all of the replies, especially your very through one roadrunner.

The coin is currently MS63.

jmb

MS62.

segoja

62 looks like some fine hairlines running across the obverse. that kills the higher grades

My guess is it's in a 61 holder

Guess I was wrong

rainbowroosie

62, but a nice one.

drysideshooter

<< <i>62 looks like some fine hairlines running across the obverse. that kills the higher grades

My guess is it's in a 61 holder

Guess I was wrong >>



I believe that many of the hairlines are in the slab. It looks to me like it has had some fairly rough treatment.

MarkInDavis

Not a series I collect, follow, or know how to grade, but I see AU58. Clearly my opinion is not worth much, but it is free.

RYK

Perhaps it is my monitor, but I am not seeing the luster that others apparently do. I would give it a technical grade of 58, with a market grade of 62. That said, the depth of coloration looks outstanding, and it is a look I would want in my collection.

AnkurJ

MS63 was my first thought.

steveben

ms63 was my first thought when i saw the pics.

lkeigwin

I would be fine with 64 but I'll guess 55.
Lance.

tradedollarnut

63 due to the thin cut on the neck = but looks as good as most 64's

ranshdow

58 and gorgeous

Justlooking

I'm an optimist. 64!

magikbilly

I thought 64, pretty clean and nice look. Luster washed out of photo a bit?

eric

PerryHall

We've got responses from AU55 to MS64. That's the problem with assigning a grade from pics like these where you have to guess the quality of the luster which is a critical grade determining factor.

drysideshooter

I realize there are limitations to scanned images. I appreciate all of the input though.

RevDrBlimber

I would say MS63; best way to compare, check out Heritage Auctions pictures on same coin in AU58 to MS64. Best shot for upgrade is raw submission on a higher tier than "regular".

ModCrewman

I'm in the 63 camp.

lasvegasteddy

lost on gold i am...its so soft to begin with...
65 crowd...yeah put me in that crowd

JamesM

63 then, 64+ today.

100% does not look AU to me.

fivecents

Slide marks on the face and neck put me in the MS62 camp.

magikbilly

<< <i>I would say MS63; best way to compare, check out Heritage Auctions pictures on same coin in AU58 to MS64. Best shot for upgrade is raw submission on a higher tier than "regular". >>



Perhaps you have better eyes than I. Some can't see it and you are able to suggest upgrade strategy? I'd think the "best" way is to look at it and some in hand. Looking at more images by others is of limited value. Ideally, buyer he will know how to "read" this scan from having seen so many more both in hand and the same coin photographed and scanned. From this image could be scan, washed out, accurate..I dunno. Perrys right again - just ask?

Eric

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drysideshooter

<< <i>I would say MS63; best way to compare, check out Heritage Auctions pictures on same coin in AU58 to MS64. Best shot for upgrade is raw submission on a higher tier than "regular". >>



I have done that, blown up the high res Heritage pics in Photoshop. Doing that my very uneducated, inexperienced opinion is that it looks much more like the MS64 coins than the MS63 coins.

I don't own this coin. I went to look at it when it was advertised, with some others, for sale. It was inherited by a young lady about 8 years ago. I took images with me, along with various magnifiers. I wanted to be honest and I told the owner that I thought the coin might be an upgrade candidate, especially since it's in an OGH and has been tucked away for years. I suggested they get some good pics or scans and told them I would do what I could to determine if it's a likely candidate for upgrade. She didn't understand the OGH and I explained that from my understanding the slab itself may add a little value for some buyers, and that she may not want to just willy nilly submit the coin for upgrade and risk losing the OGH if it didn't make sense.

Based on these images, which she did with a scanner, and they do have limitations, if you were in the owners shoes would you submit it for an upgrade? I've suggested she take it to a couple of shops and ask their honest opinion.

steveben

<< <i>We've got responses from AU55 to MS64. That's the problem with assigning a grade from pics like these where you have to guess the quality of the luster which is a critical grade determining factor. >>

magikbilly

I can't vouch for the long term off the market thing, but some say whats left in OGH are there exactly because they could NOT make the jump. I find coins so individual and enjoyable that blanket statements like that are meaningless to me. Why not try to get a good photograph so everyone can advise you with some more certainty? It could be worth it.

Eric

Edit for spelling

RYK

Based on these images, which she did with a scanner, and they do have limitations, if you were in the owners shoes would you submit it for an upgrade? I've suggested she take it to a couple of shops and ask their honest opinion.

No, I would not try to upgrade it. The coin in a 63 old holder has greater marketability than if it were in a newer generation 63 holder. There are other ways to unlock the upgrade value without getting the coin out of its current slab.

I would not take it to local coin shops. Most coin shop guys will not have the experience to give the correct advice on the issue.

RevDrBlimber

To get top dollar you would have to sell to a collector willing to pay that. It will do better with a CAC sticker. You could contact Dale Larson at Spectrum or Heritage buyers to see what they would offer. If it is PQ, they will not offer much more. I do not know any shop that pays more than the least they can for coins. A big show like Baltimore would be an option.

Here was one of my coins I sold recently in an old AU58 holder that could easily grade MS63 these days: http://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/33385/1907-Liberty-Eagle-PCGS-AU-58-OGH-2nd-Gen

magikbilly

the right coin needs no sticker IMHO if you have a good seller and a smart collector buying.

Eric

fastfreddie

63

RevDrBlimber

Here is a MS63: http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=131207&lotNo=21607

Next grade higher is worth $1000 more, which is possible in comparison. It is a long and arduous process to upgrade coins, I do not have the patience to do it more than once or twice.