Slabbing Choice....

keoj

This may be an easy one or a hard one depending on your perspective.....just looking for some random opinions.

Problem: A rare variety in a old PCI green holder slab. The coin is graded but it has been cleaned (contrary to the slab color). However, a nice coin despite the light old cleaning.

Choice 1: Leave it in the original slab.
Choice 2: Move it to a PCGS genuine holder
Choice 3: Move it to a NGC/NCS holder and get a net grade on it.

keoj

coinman23885

Just so you know, not all green holders are conservatively graded and one can no longer rely on the 14 and 10 digit serial numbers v. 9 digit holders. Someone has apparently replicated this with newer PCI green holders. The latter can be determined by a break in the green border, and they use an Arial font.

To answer your question, if it I would need to see the coin or at least know what we're talking about.

coindeuce

What is your objective?

If it is to hold: leave it alone, if you are certain the current holder is a stable storage method.

If it is too sell: crack it out, send it to PCGS, where you can now obtain a details grade in a genuine holder. It may even receive a net numerical grade if it is a date with significant market demand. This does occur.

keoj

I didn't realize that PCGS offered that service. Thanks for pointing it out.

As to my objective...I want to hold the coin but be a good steward for the coin but transparent about its condition.. That means that if I ever sell it, I would like it to clear that the coin has been cleaned.

Thanks.

keoj

coindeuce

The coin must inevitably be a Trade Dollar. Inquiring minds must know though.

mingot

<< <i>That means that if I ever sell it, I would like it to clear that the coin has been cleaned. >>



I applaud you for wanting to get problem coins out of problem free holders.

RYK

I want all of my slabbed coins to be in PCGS holders, at the very least for the credibility of the grade, the consistency of the presentation and for my use of the registry. These reasons may not be applicable or sufficient for you.

keoj

A 76-CC DDR that has a nice strike....

coindeuce

<< <i>A 76-CC DDR that has a nice strike.... >>



A bit of a niche market date/variety, but nevertheless popular across a broad collector base as a Carson City issue. Could it be nicer than the PCGS-40 in my collection?

stealer

What if PCGS deems it MA the first time around. Will you crack it out and send it in again?

MilkmanDan

If you're submitting it as a crossover, sounds like what you want is:

- specify "genuine" as the minimum grade
- specify "details grade" for genuine coins
- specify "variety attribution" and pay the 24 bucks, if you want it attributed on the holder (I would!)

crypto79

<< <i>If you're submitting it as a crossover, sounds like what you want is:

- specify "genuine" as the minimum grade
- specify "details grade" for genuine coins
- specify "variety attribution" and pay the 24 bucks, if you want it attributed on the holder (I would!) >>




There is no reason to do a Cross over with a PCI slab as it adds no value to the coin. The coin is what it is no matter what the slab says and if it is cleaned it is ok. I chose to have my coins in PCGS and you don't need to pay the 24$ for the 76cc unless you want the FS number put on the slab. It is a major Var in terms of being submittable, just submit it under PCGS coin number 97042

MilkmanDan

<< <i>... and you don't need to pay the 24$ for the 76cc unless you want the FS number put on the slab. It is a major Var in terms of being submittable, just submit it under PCGS coin number 97042 >>



You and I both know it's a major variety visible to the naked eye, but it's not in the major variety set and it's coin number isn't a 4 digit number. Are you sure about this? If so, cool, I'd love to be wrong.

crypto79

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<< <i>... and you don't need to pay the 24$ for the 76cc unless you want the FS number put on the slab. It is a major Var in terms of being submittable, just submit it under PCGS coin number 97042 >>



You and I both know it's a major variety visible to the naked eye, but it's not in the major variety set and it's coin number isn't a 4 digit number. Are you sure about this? If so, cool, I'd love to be wrong. >>



While it isn't counted on the Registry set as a Major for what ever reason I am positive you can submit it as one as I have done it a couple of times. The 3 types of Trade's you don't need to pay extra for is 75s/cc, 76cc DDR , and Chop Marks. The one time I messed up and paid the 24$ it got put on the Slab as DDR FS-801 where as if you don't pay they will call it Doubled Die Reverse like this coin. When you go to a show where PCGS is at they have books for looking up PCGS number and it is all in there. (note I did not submit the coin below)

LindeDad

<< <i>If you're submitting it as a crossover, sounds like what you want is:

- specify "genuine" as the minimum grade
- specify "details grade" for genuine coins
- specify "variety attribution" and pay the 24 bucks, if you want it attributed on the holder (I would!) >>




I do not think PCGS accepts PCI holders under their crossover program.

MonteCarlo

<< <i>I do not think PCGS accepts PCI holders under their crossover program. >>



Link

sawyerjosh

I suspect it's in a nine didget green slab.
Very informative short article on PCI slabs: PCI Slabs and Serial Numbers
"Green Label, nine digit serial number- The serial numbers on PCI slabs went to nine digits when the ownership changed. Grading became atrocious, usually Morgans overgraded by at least two points, cleaned coins with no mention on the holder, and altered coins slabbed as genuine. Absolutely stay away from these slabs."

MilkmanDan

<< <i>I do not think PCGS accepts PCI holders under their crossover program. >>



Well shoot, I'm just full of bad info then. I thought I had done this recently, but come to think I had cracked out the coin. Thank you for the correction.

MilkmanDan

Searched PCGS website, no mention of not accepting PCI holders in the crossover program. Can those of you who "corrected me" please provide linkage other than youtube?

mozin

Crack the coin, and send to PCGS. You might get lucky, and get a grade. If it is that special variety, pay the $24. Make sure you check to holder "Genuine" coins.

lkeigwin

The default for non-gradable coins is a "genuine, no details" holder. So check the box "genuine with details" if that's what you want.

If you feel it is cleaned, and would be straight about this to a buyer when the time comes, then you might as well have it in PCGS plastic.
Lance.