on a roll with bust quarters

Baley

Working on a collection of large size early quarters by die variety/die state, but it's been quite a while (over a year) since an addition, these have now arrived





what do you think are the Browning numbers, die states, rarity ratings, and/or grades of these coins?

LanceNewmanOCC

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for the purpose of roll collecting, i like em
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coinlieutenant

Nice pick ups. Nice to see you grab some merchandise. Don't have many die marriage books out at sea...so I will defer.

J

coinlieutenant

Nice grabs!!

Eagleguy

Can't speak for the 1806 but it looks like you have a nice Large 0 1820 B-1 which is an R-4 according to Tompkins and an R-5 according to Rea. I'm going to say it will grade F-15. Nice pickup!

JH

2manycoins

I like the 1806

DIMEMAN

I don't know quarters, but I like all Bust coins!

Nice additions to your set. Do you have a Registry Set or do you keep them raw?

Baley

I likes my quarters like I likes my ladies: Quite busty, somewhat dirty, classic beauty, and, of course, very RAW!

JRocco

<< <i>I likes my quarters like I likes my ladies: Quite busty, somewhat dirty, classic beauty, and, of course, very RAW!



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That is a fine looking set of quarters.
Nice to see there are still coin collectors out there amid the sea of people needing a plastic grade to tell them if they like the coin or not.

RYK

Nice group. I am partial to the draped bust coins.

Baley

<< <i>Can't speak for the 1806 but it looks like you have a nice Large 0 1820 B-1 which is an R-4 according to Tompkins and an R-5 according to Rea. I'm going to say it will grade F-15. Nice pickup!

JH >>



Thanks! That about my opinion on the 1820 as well, but wouldn't argue with F-12, though the surfaces keep it above VG-10 in my book

Edit: The 1806 is the first example of its variety I've ever seen on ebay. I was somewhat surpised to win it; usually, one of the specialist dealers snipes my targets
Probably, the scratches dissuaded some of the potential bidders from looking it up

LoveMyLiberty

1806 B-7 R-5

Baley

Yes, the draped quarter is the rare B-7 variety.

From Steve Tompkins' book [my comments in brackets]:

"This reverse is somewhat of an anomaly. The legend was punched in [the Rev. H working die] utilizing different style and size letters than all of the other reverses except for Reverse I, which was only used for the 1806 B-8 die marriage [the rarest variety in the entire draped bust series]. Both of these reverse working dies were probably the last ones produced in 1806, or possibly the first ones produced [I think first, because..] Also we find the re-use of the smaller star punch abandoned at the end of 1805."

Steve also states, "The early die stage [stage 1] with no reverse cracks [and missing the mysterious row of raised segments between stars 4-6 which appears in stages 2-5] is the rarest"

upon close examination, I see no evidence of the raised segments shown clearly on the high grade example in Tompkins, and no trace of die cracks. I also note that my coin, in perhaps good or VG, displays stronger shield definition than Steve's AU example, on which the reverse die appears to have bulged or sunk (not sure of technical term). I'd speculate that this failing die (and the rev I die used for B-8) might have been retired early in favor of the new reverse die J, which went on to strike the most common die marriage for 1806, and perhaps the most common variety in entire series. It seems sometimes like half of the DB quarters out there is a B-9.

Anyway, I was thrilled to win this coin, and am grateful for the fact that few collectors would give a "problem coin" a second glance

bosco5041

<< <i>Nice group. I am partial to the draped bust coins. >>

I agree, and I think you are a true collector.

Baley

thanks bosco!

PS: more evidence that things tend to happen in 3s: Another rare early quarter is on the way..

Barndog

Drought followed by a flood of coins! I hope some of that weather comes my way

stman

Both are nice, I really like the "look" of the 1820.

tydye

I really like that 1820!

STONE

<< <i>Drought followed by a flood of coins! I hope some of that weather comes my way >>


Your time will come Richard.

While I may not really be in a drought, I haven't received or seen a coin I wanted in two weeks,
which feels like an eternity relative to my pace of acquisitions thus far this year!

Baley

two weeks between purchases?

Until this half dollar came along a month or two ago, I hadn't found an early coin to buy in a year and a half



for the jumpstart, thanks again, STONE!!

Billet7

Nice pickups both. The 1820 is a VG10 in my book, I've got the same variety in VF. The DBQ is probably a G6, might even still certify with the scratches...they tend to be lenient with coins that are as early as this, especially if there aren't other problems (they are in prime focal areas, so perhaps not.)

hchcoin

Impressive - I love the newps and I love your collection.

Eagleguy

<< <i>Nice pickups both. The 1820 is a VG10 in my book, I've got the same variety in VF. >>



Even with a full motto?

JH

Baley

well, i guess those first two attributions were fairly easy, how about the newest arrival, behind the 1820 in this picture, can anyone determine the die variety and die state from the clue?

Baley

maybe attributing the 1806 is too tough, though there is only one die to my knowledge that is cracked that way through the 6

richardshipp

<< <i>Impressive - I love the newps and I love your collection. >>



I agree.

Billet7

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<< <i>Nice pickups both. The 1820 is a VG10 in my book, I've got the same variety in VF. >>



Even with a full motto?

JH >>



Yup...sticking with my original assessment, VG10. The motto is weak, but there, it's actually the obverse that doesn't do it for me, I expect to see just a bit more detail for a full Fine...course I've been hammered recently at the PCGS grade game with bust quarters...my 1822 I expected to get a 15 and came back as a 10.

It's a high 10 or low 12, I guess...how bout an 11!!!

SkyMan

I like 'em.

Baley

I'd call the 1820 VG+/Fine, but for this collection, the "grade" is somewhat irrelevant
Call it VG or Fine or Good or great or pretty bad, thats cool with me. the point is:

is it what I want at the price?

edit: Yes, VG11... I have no problem split grading the sides, going between "industry" grade numbers, and, obviously, Net Grading for the inevitable problems at this level of age and circulation wear and collector "care"

Baley

... and now, two more! In these larger pics (thank you photobucket >50kb) are the newer 1806, and two new pieces that arrived yesterday



All these are R4 or better..

STONE

Crusty Ole Busties

Baley

my count is two crusties, one semi-crust, and two not so crusty (to put it gently)
let's just say, for the bottom one, that is the most flattering angle to take a picture. Tilted another way, it would reflect quite a bit more light,
enough that the kneejerk collector reaction could understandably be, "cleaned.pass"
.. but i needed the variety
(and tilted another way, there are some colors to be captured in the retoning)

STONE

<< <i>my count is two crusties, one semi-crust, and two not so crusty (to put it gently)
let's just say, for the bottom one, that is the most flattering angle to take a picture. Tilted another way, it would reflect quite a bit more light,
enough that the kneejerk collector reaction could understandably be, "cleaned.pass"
.. but i needed the variety >>


I can now see what you are saying about this being the most flattering image of it!
Sometimes you just need to make a sacrifice until another, better example comes along.

Baley

Sometimes you just need to make a sacrifice until another, better example comes along.

Haven't upgraded any coins in this set, or the circ DB halves set, once a variety and die state has been acquired, I don't really shop for it any more.
Lower per-coin cost in this grade range (the coins with the most History, IMO), No trade-in costs, no grading fees, cheap supplies and storage, keeps collecting overhead low

edited to add: And, an unusually high toleration for certain contemporary damage occasionally allows purchase of a very rare coin with a lot of detail. When I uncover the battle scars on the darker 1806, many collectors will cringe and hide their eyes. Collectors of perfect moderns may actually upchuck

STONE

<< <i>Collectors of perfect moderns may actually upchuck >>

Nunfa0

I love my almost perfect moderns BUT I think I love your bustie ladies even more!!

johnny9434

<< <i>I really like that 1820! >>

so do i

DIMEMAN

Baley I like your style. And love your coins.

BaseballAbs

<< <i>Can't speak for the 1806 but it looks like you have a nice Large 0 1820 B-1 which is an R-4 according to Tompkins and an R-5 according to Rea. I'm going to say it will grade F-15. Nice pickup!

JH >>

Other than I would grade the the 1820 at a VG10-12 Lets call it a VG11.

Edit: Billet7 is correct, he also beet me with the 11 grade idea, If I would just read all the comments I would find that I don't even need to respond. By the way I think the 1806 would grade at PCGS, but would be possibly knocked down a grade. I think It would end up in a PCGS G-4 holder.

Justacommeman

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<< <i>Impressive - I love the newps and I love your collection. >>



I agree. >>



This. MJ

BG

Top Shelf!

nwcoast

Super collection there Baley!!!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...."i like your thinking and collection style" not in those words, but that's the gist of it...

Baley

thanks to all of you for your comments, without the magic of the internet I would have none of these coins, nor without your interest, anyone to share them with, so thanks for reading.

Here is the group ready for the trip to the bank box

Baley

and here are two more attributed, ready to go be with the others



and now, two tough marriages and one scarcer early die state of a more common one:







Now 42 of 60 for Browning varieties, care to attribute these latest?

1TwoBits

Some more great finds there Baley!

It's always nice to add R-5's to your variety set (if I got them right).

I'm going with the following....

1806 B-10 R5
1820 B-5 R5
1818 B-8 R3 ~ EDS, no reverse die crack

I think the 1820 B-5 is tougher to find than the 1806 B-10.

Good goin'

Baley

exactly right 1TwoBits, your screen name is apt

I was pretty psyched to get the 1806 B10 and the 1820 B5, those had been on my want list for a long time..

johnny9434

<< <i>I really like that 1820! >>

so do i, both nice coin thou

Baley

.... aaaand the drought resumes; it's now been a year since I've bought an early quarter.

fastfreddie

<< <i>.... aaaand the drought resumes; it's now been a year since I've bought an early quarter. >>



You either have high standards or a tight budget...hang in there. Patience has its reward!

Baley

It's a some of both, I try to keep them in the Good-Fine range, and in the $150-300 range, the scarcer ones I'm more forgiving of problems, but the common ones I like to have pretty nice and original looking surfaces, although a rare one with good skin and no major damage is a real treat when cherried. I do not have a lot of spare time to shop so have to be opportunistic when I find time to look for and find ones I like and can afford

This is the most common 1819 (the B-3 ) and for some reason, the first example of the marriage I've ever had, just arrived last week, just over a year between purchases for this set

SkyMan

Fun stuff, and a bunch of good looking ladies!