Can Topps really not even put his name on a Baseball Card?

matthewbschultz83 · March 1, 2012 3:52PM

This reads weird to me...

If that's true, how did they get around this one...

I checked Beckett's database, the above card is in fact his last Topps issue. (His son appears on a 1998 Topps, Chrome, Opening Day, etc.).

Sean1125 · March 1, 2012 4:02PM

Might want to try and rephrase what you are trying to say... I see what you are talking about ( "Second basemen"), but not sure what you mean with the second picture/word combo.

matthewbschultz83 · March 1, 2012 4:14PM

If they can't put Pete Rose's image/name on a baseball card, how did they do in 1991. They 2nd card is Rose's last Topps card.

csmtampa · March 1, 2012 4:59PM

Probably because the card was made for his character in a movie and not as a professional baseball player.

Yankees001 · March 1, 2012 8:15PM

His name should not be on the card. He is/was an embarrassment to the game. He should never have his tarnished name mentioned in the same sentince as. (I need a new sentince) Cano or MLB.

Dave

brendanb438 · March 1, 2012 8:47PM

<< His name should not be on the card. He is/was an embarrassment to the game. He should never have his tarnished name mentioned in the same sentince as. (I need a new sentince) Cano or MLB.

Dave >>

All I know is if half of these POS roids raging players of the last decade get into the HOF then Pete Rose should be in there already. I believe that the man never threw a game in regards to a bet and think he should be in the HOF for what he did. But we all know this isn't worth discussing because we all have strong views on this one and none of us are gonna be changing our minds about Pete Rose.

Ironmanfan · March 1, 2012 9:09PM

<< 

<< His name should not be on the card. He is/was an embarrassment to the game. He should never have his tarnished name mentioned in the same sentince as. (I need a new sentince) Cano or MLB.

Dave >>

All I know is if half of these POS roids raging players of the last decade get into the HOF then Pete Rose should be in there already. I believe that the man never threw a game in regards to a bet and think he should be in the HOF for what he did. But we all know this isn't worth discussing because we all have strong views on this one and none of us are gonna be changing our minds about Pete Rose. >>

The POS roid raging players aren't getting in the HOF either (have you noticed?). Rose never belongs in the HOF after the shame he brought to the game

IMF

EchoCanyon · March 1, 2012 10:34PM

Pete Rose committed the number one crime, betting on baseball.

He has legal counsel and VOLUNTARILY signed/agreed to a lifetime ban.

He will never be enshrined in Cooperstown.

<The 'roid argument has nothing to do with this.>

HoneyBadger · March 1, 2012 10:42PM

Pete Rose in the HOF is a great debate. For those of us who gamble professionally and do quite well at it, he's in the HOF in our book.

jeffcbay · March 1, 2012 10:48PM

I "bet" he gets in posthumously. He should be in.

cwazzy · March 1, 2012 10:58PM

<< I "bet" he gets in posthumously. He should be in. >>

shagrotn77 · March 1, 2012 11:04PM

<< I "bet" he gets in posthumously. He should be in. >>

Don't be so sure. Shoeless Joe's not in and he's been dead for decades.

EchoCanyon · March 1, 2012 11:10PM

<< 

<< I "bet" he gets in posthumously. He should be in. >>

Don't be so sure. Shoeless Joe's not in and he's been dead for decades. >>

I agree.

<pssssst. Shoeless Joe has an online HOF>

Hank36 · March 1, 2012 11:26PM

Once upon a time, a player could get suspended by the commissioner simply for associating with known gamblers. In the Gutless Selig era, the the owner of the Detroit Tigers can be married to a casino owner, and according to Bud, there's no conflict because neither property is jointly owned.

alnavman · March 1, 2012 11:51PM

I realize football is different than baseball but didn't some HOF football players have something occur gambling related in the early 60's....?? Can't remember who they were but I think at least one player is in the HOF...

Juggs · March 2, 2012 12:35AM

Pete Rose was always one of my very favorite players growing up. I was really bummed about the gambling, and the fact that he tarnished his legacy, but he was still an amazing ball player.

About 7-8 years ago I was in Vegas with some friends and I was walking through the Ceasars mall and noticed a guy sitting at an autograph table at that Field of Dreams store. It was Pete. No one, and I mean NO ONE was around. It was just Pete and some dude working at the store. Having been a big fan, I paid the $100 for him to sign a baseball and while he signed it he told me to sit down at the table next to him. We started chatting about Southern California, then the Rose Bowl (I live in Pasadena), then baseball. The guy probably talked to me for 45 minutes. While we talked only a couple of people came to get stuff signed.

He was a pleasure, and I had always heard different from people.

I still love the guy, and still collect his cards.

digicat · March 2, 2012 12:40AM

To the OP:

It could have to do with licensing. Does the Pete Rose card from the Babe Ruth movie have the MLB or MLBPAA logos on the back?

It could be that Rose's name and likeness can't be on any officially licensed products as per terms of the lifetime ban.

It could also be that Pete Rose trademarked his name himself (like Barry Bonds did), and for whatever reason, Topps couldn't (or wouldn't) come to terms with Rose.

EchoCanyon · March 2, 2012 12:47AM

Pete Rose article from 2009 -- he will NEVER get in

Yankees001 · March 2, 2012 12:50AM

I've never liked Rose. I live in Reds Country, so I loved every minute of it. Everyone I know was mad that he was thrown out of the game.

If he played for the Yankees, I still would not have liked him. Sorry, but that is just my life long feelings about him.

Dave

Juggs · March 2, 2012 1:17AM

<< I've never liked Rose. I live in Reds Country, so I loved every minute of it. Everyone I know was mad that he was thrown out of the game.

If he played for the Yankees, I still would not have liked him. Sorry, but that is just my life long feelings about him.

Dave >>

Sometimes there are just those players that rub you the wrong way. I was a huge fan of the Bad Boys Pistons, but I don't know many people outside of Michigan that could stomach them at all.

Hank36 · March 2, 2012 1:28AM

<< I realize football is different than baseball but didn't some HOF football players have something occur gambling related in the early 60's....?? Can't remember who they were but I think at least one player is in the HOF... >>

Paul Hornung. Alex Karras was also suspended, but is not in the HOF.

miconelegacy · March 2, 2012 1:31AM

The Roid players will get in, the question is which players will get in that never got caught?

jmmiller777 · March 2, 2012 1:37AM

Rose was and still sounds like a jerk. He still owes me $50 for leaving a card (1985) show in San Antonio early, leaving hundreds of us without our "paid for" product. He also broke the rules of baseball, the rules he was very aware of, no gambling on the game of baseball . He used to discourage his players from signing autographs without something in return, mainly money. I think he was and is a scumbag, a jerk. With that said...

He was the greatest hits leader of all time. I don't believe he would ever bet against his team. He was too competitive for that. No way! I don't think he ever threw a game for money. Perhaps he does belong there, but don't think he will see it happen. His family may, but he won't He has pissed off baseball too many times since the gambling thing of the 80's. And that's my take...

CNote · March 2, 2012 1:40AM

<< The Roid players will get in, the question is which players will get in that never got caught? >>

If you ask some members here, Griffey and Thomas will be a couple that get in and were never caught.

BaltimoreYankee · March 2, 2012 1:53AM

Regardless of Rose being banned from baseball for life, I think it's silly that Topps cannot or will not mention his name on a baseball card. What's next, referring to him as "he whose name shall never be mentioned"?

My personal opinion is Rose undoubtedly had a HOF caliber career. If he agreed to be banned from baseball for life (and the HOF is a separate entity, so a separate discussion), then at least he should get into the HOF after he dies.

jwgators · March 2, 2012 4:03AM

<< 

<< The Roid players will get in, the question is which players will get in that never got caught? >>

If you ask some members here, Griffey and Thomas will be a couple that get in and were never caught. >>

I am a big fan of Griffey and Thomas, but I ask myself why they are considered clean. Do you have to be a muscle head with bulging biceps to be a PED user? We will never know who did them and who didn't, so to me you can't discriminate based on a hunch or how someone looked.

It is a different story if you tested positive when the rules were in place for testing and punishment, i.e. Manny and Palmeiro.

EchoCanyon · March 2, 2012 4:11AM

linky about both cards mentioned

matthewbschultz83 · March 2, 2012 5:20AM

Thanks EchoCanyon and DigiCat. I wasn't looking for a Pete Rose war to break out just curious about the Cano and Babe Ruth Movie card. From reading the link it pretty much explains the 1991 Topps card. I also read it that Topps could have used his name on the back of the Cano card, they just chose not too. Has Topps issued any leaders cards since 1990 either Team or Career? Wonder if he's mentioned by name there. He's the Reds' team leader in games, ABs, Runs, Hits, 2Bs, Walks, and caught stealing. I want to say 2010 Topps produced team leader cards with past year and career leaders in various categories for each team. Anyone have one handy? Either #32 or #415 in the 2010 Topps set.

digicat · March 2, 2012 5:39AM

<< He's the Reds' team leader in games, ABs, Runs, Hits, 2Bs, Walks, and caught stealing. I want to say 2010 Topps produced team leader cards with past year and career leaders in various categories for each team. Anyone have one handy? Either #32 or #415 in the 2010 Topps set. >>

It only lists HR, RBI, avg and slg for offensive stats.

fkw · March 2, 2012 8:17AM

Get real... on this card Pete Rose in an actor portraying a player (Cobb) who was far worse than he was on and off the field (Cobb threw games, extreme racist, mean spirited dirty player, etc.)

but both are HOFers in my book (the book of great hardcore ball players who excelled on the field)

bigreddog · March 2, 2012 2:45PM

Yea he made mistake (don't we all?) Like him or not "Charlie Hustle" was of of the game's greatest players EVER. The history of one of the most Famous Dynasty's in all of Sports, "The Big Red Machine" will always be etched into baseball history due in part to Pete Rose. Weather he's allowed in the silly little cosmedic club like the HOF is meaniless. The HOF is a complete joke nowdays anyway.

John

brendanb438 · March 2, 2012 2:53PM

<< Yea he made mistake (don't we all?) Like him or not "Charlie Hustle" was of of the game's greatest players EVER. The history of one of the most Famous Dynasty's in all of Sports, "The Big Red Machine" will always be etched into baseball history due in part to Pete Rose. Weather he's allowed in the silly little cosmedic club like the HOF is meaniless. The HOF is a complete joke nowdays anyway.

John >>

Amen

Tabe · March 2, 2012 3:00PM

<< All I know is if half of these POS roids raging players of the last decade get into the HOF then Pete Rose should be in there already. I believe that the man never threw a game in regards to a bet and think he should be in the HOF for what he did. But we all know this isn't worth discussing because we all have strong views on this one and none of us are gonna be changing our minds about Pete Rose. >>

You do realize that he need not have thrown a game or bet on his team to lose to undermine the credibility of the game, right? By betting FOR his own team, he inherently alters how he manages - for short-term gains rather than long-term planning - and thus undermines the credibility of the contests, even when he's not betting.

Tabe

epatmythes · March 2, 2012 3:18PM

Thread has grown to 2 pages... and nobody has mentioned this yet...

Pete Rose has an exclusive card deal with Leaf, it's very much possible that that exclusive deal prevents any other card maker from using his "name" and/or "likeness"

CrazyMind2017 · March 3, 2012 1:37AM

<< Yea he made mistake (don't we all?) Like him or not "Charlie Hustle" was of of the game's greatest players EVER. The history of one of the most Famous Dynasty's in all of OHIO, "The Big Red Machine" will always be etched into baseball history due in part to Pete Rose. Weather he's allowed in the silly little cosmedic club like the HOF is meaniless. The HOF is a complete joke nowdays anyway.

John >>

Fixed for you.

Dialj · March 3, 2012 1:43AM

I follow the same thought line that Ted Williams did about this subject. He used Joe Jackson as his example; the ban is for life. Once life is over and if your stats were worthy, you should be in the HOF. I think both Jackson and Rose fall into this theory. JMO

matthewbschultz83 · March 5, 2012 8:30AM

<< Thread has grown to 2 pages... and nobody has mentioned this yet...

Pete Rose has an exclusive card deal with Leaf, it's very much possible that that exclusive deal prevents any other card maker from using his "name" and/or "likeness" >>

Thanks. I did not know that. And of course the images are airbrushed. Either because Leaf doesn't have a license or he can't appear in MLB gear for reasons mentioned above in this thread. Possibly both.

Can Topps really not even put his name on a Baseball Card?

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