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1916 specimen / proof Mercury dime c.1987

BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭✭✭
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1916 proof or specimen Mercury dime cherrypicked by Jim Halperin of Heritage Rare Coin Galleries at the
Detroit ANA circa 1987

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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,952 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I see an absolutely hammered obverse.
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  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭
    Sorry, I'm not impressed with it.image
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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,195 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like it.
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  • Bayard1908Bayard1908 Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sorry, I'm not impressed with it.image >>

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  • secondrepublicsecondrepublic Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭
    I'm no expert, but it looks well struck... what are the diagnostics that identify this as a proof/specimen striking?
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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Smooth satin surfaces without a hint of mint cartwheel lustre
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  • Harry779Harry779 Posts: 902 ✭✭
    "proof or specimen"

    how do you know that?
    what determines that its a proof or specimen?

    do you have any pictures that show the die markers?

    has it been certified? and by whom?

    The coin has a "rim fin?

    The rims are not perfectly flat and even sized around the obverse?

    I have one just like it,thats why I need to know everything about the coin....Thanks
  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why is it surrounded by soap bubbles?
  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>"proof or specimen"

    how do you know that?
    what determines that its a proof or specimen?

    do you have any pictures that show the die markers?

    has it been certified? and by whom?

    Thanks >>


    I think the OP is a strong advocate of the '16 and '17 proofs. I'm not in any position to definitely say that what he says is true or not but IMHO they are neither proofs nor specimen strikes.



    << <i>Why is it surrounded by soap bubbles? >>


    Because PCGS and NGC know it's not a specimen/proof?
  • secondrepublicsecondrepublic Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Smooth satin surfaces without a hint of mint cartwheel lustre >>



    Haven't seen the coin and don't have any opinion either way. However, it's a small coin so it's not gonna show cartwheel luster like a bigger coin. Especially if it's got haze or toning on it. I would be more interested in finding out if it has wire rims or other proof diagnostics.
    "Men who had never shown any ability to make or increase fortunes for themselves abounded in brilliant plans for creating and increasing wealth for the country at large." Fiat Money Inflation in France, Andrew Dickson White (1912)
  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    This reminds me of another Mercury Dime discussion. image

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  • Harry779Harry779 Posts: 902 ✭✭



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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To Harry779 -- What a nice 1916 dime!
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    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
  • Harry779Harry779 Posts: 902 ✭✭
    The pattern web site says that as many as 8 different test/pattern type coins might have been minted.
    What does not make any sense to me is: The mint made 2 or more different test batches for AT&T and the vending machine companies to test in their phones/machines.The coins failed because of a heavy rim fin and jammed the phones and vending machines.So the mint corrects the rim fin problem and does not hear of any more troubles from AT&T and the vending machine companies.
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    so then any 1916 dimes released for circulation should not have the rim fin.




    http://www.seymourwampum.com/seymourwampum.com/1916_&_1917_proof_coins.html


    The dime was reduced (704/1000 disk struck to 52/1000) and all were struck okay. Fin was eliminated. Half planchet may have been also changed.
  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,419 ✭✭✭
    "I think the OP is a strong advocate of the '16 and '17 proofs"

    you can put me in this crowd too...image
    the article he linked on them in another thread...clearly this was a reasearched effort by some guy spending a day at "national archives"....notes and telegrams between all key players (mint director and chief engravers at time) envolved are attested to!!!
    this is in the national archives as fact

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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>Smooth satin surfaces without a hint of mint cartwheel lustre >>



    A couple of dips will do that
  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭✭
    @Harry, take a look at this coin: Link
    It's got a fin on the obv from 11 o'clock to 8 o'clock.

    In other words, your coin is just a very nice coin that spent one too many years in an album and the toning has started to deteriorate the luster.

    And the coin with the fin wasn't hard to find. I just searched "1916 10c ms" on HA and that was the first one to pop up.

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i'm amazed that final judgement is so easily made on what are at best average pictures. an in-hand examination or at least some high quality, high resolution pictures of the coin should be needed to dismiss the likelyhood that it is what it's purported to be.
  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    It should also be noted that the 1916 dimes used higher relief dies than the rest of the series so the will look different under inspection
  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,726 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is a nice 1916 Merc from fleabay that has the fin or wire rim on both sides.

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