Noooooooo , LA wants Rick Nash not Carter

EagleEyeKid

At least it's better than nothing and he can eventually get back
to 40 goal form. Kings need to dump Penner but who the heck
is dumb enough to take him?

VitoCo1972

That Carter contract is way too long. I know the Kings needed to do something but this wasn't it IMHO. Nash would have only been marginally better. Neither guy alters the franchise.

jimrad

As a season ticket holder for the last 25 years I can tell you the Kings problems are huge.
Jack Johnson got slapped in the face after taking less in a contract than he could have gotten but he wanted a fair deal to stay in LA.
Carter and Richards were broken up in Philly because together they had a party hard attitude......well in LA life should be good for them.
The Kings are a losing franchise and I go because I love live action hockey. If they ever win it will be a bonus, but I am not holding my breath.
I can only imagine what it's like to be a season ticket holder in Detroit. Now that's hockeytown !!

Boopotts

Wow. That, to me, seems like a shockingly bad trade by the Kings. What kind of team that wants to contend ever trades a big defenseman with puck skills? Particularly when you're getting a bong jockey with a bad frosted 'do in return. Can't wait for the photos of Carter and Richards doing keg-stands at a Southern Cal frat party to surface in the next month or so.

PowderedH2O

Glad to see this for Jack Johnson. He deserves to play in a non-hockey market and a losing franchise. He played games with the Hurricanes when we drafted him a few years ago. He wanted the moon and the stars on his contract and then used college as leverage to basically force the Hurricanes to trade him. We ended up with Tim Gleason (who I am quite happy with). It was basically a repeat of the Keith Primeau strategy (which brought us Rod Brind'amour). I hope the Kings make out well.

lanemyer85

have you watched Rick Nash play hockey over the last few years? You would be watching another Getzlaf - I'll give a <bleep> when I feel like it - only in this instance it stars a guy who is even more fat and out of shape, who perpetually circles the blueline cherry-picking while demanding a stretch pass. The last thing LA needs is another top 6 forward who refuses to use his size(save for Brown), plays no defense, and back-checks like a Washington Capital. I actually heard this deal might lead to LA trading Dustin Brown for another defenseman. Go for it...get rid of the one guy (aside from Quick and Kopitar) who seems to care on a nightly basis.

Glad to see this for Jack Johnson. He deserves to play in a non-hockey market and a losing franchise. He played games with the Hurricanes when we drafted him a few years ago. He wanted the moon and the stars on his contract and then used college as leverage to basically force the Hurricanes to trade him. We ended up with Tim Gleason (who I am quite happy with). It was basically a repeat of the Keith Primeau strategy (which brought us Rod Brind'amour). I hope the Kings make out well.

How does one use "college as leverage" in hockey? Whether the player stays in school or not the team still controls his rights. This isn't MLB. The three year entry level deal is a set max and the only negotiating points are performance and signing bonuses...of which are also capped. The only players that have leverage are the Czechs/Russians who might use the KHL as a chip (Jagr and Radulov say hello). My memory of the situation is that the Canes wanted to rush Johnson to the NHL because they were short on d-men...since you know, they never spend money or draft well, and when Johnson decided to stay in school he was dealt in that package for Gleason and Tverdovsky. You're essentially saying Johnson was selfish by not signing with the Canes (who clearly didn't care about his development), but the Canes were well within their right to rush the Hoosier straight to the NHL because Rutherford failed at building depth at the NHL or even AHL level. It takes most defensemen (especially offensively gifted d-men) at least 4 full years to get accustomed to the NHL game. In Johnson's case it took 3 years to get his offense going, and he's still a defensive liability at times as his career -90 +/- demonstrates...being paired with Doughty quite often doesn't help either considering he's taken it upon himself to model his game after Phadouche or The Wiz. Duncan Keith was absolute garbage in the NHL for 3+ years and would have been better served staying at MSU for more than his 2 years. Johnson was in the same position. If you want to see an example of how Jack Johnson would have looked like as an 18 or 19 year old Cane, take a gander at Nick Leddy of the Blackhawks who pulled him out of the U of Minny after one year. He can currently be seen on the second pairing getting his head kicked in every night on the - crap we shouldn't have traded Brian Campbell telecasts. If memory serves, the Canes' AHL affiliate at that time was in Albany. If I was 18 and my choices were Raleigh, Albany, or Ann Arbor. I'm rocking one of those hideous UofM hockey sweaters too.

pmcollectour

A little OT, but I always wondered how the LA Kings sell out so well now.

BG (before Gretzky) they didn't sell as many tickets as AG (after Gretzky).

Did the Gretzky phenomena bring more fans out for good ?

gameusedhoop

A big + for you guys out west is that Voynov will be out there again. We're gonna miss him in Manchester. He is as good, if not better than Johnson, and much much cheaper.

PowderedH2O

How does one use "college as leverage" in hockey? Whether the player stays in school or not the team still controls his rights. This isn't MLB. The three year entry level deal is a set max and the only negotiating points are performance and signing bonuses...of which are also capped. The only players that have leverage are the Czechs/Russians who might use the KHL as a chip (Jagr and Radulov say hello). My memory of the situation is that the Canes wanted to rush Johnson to the NHL because they were short on d-men...since you know, they never spend money or draft well, and when Johnson decided to stay in school he was dealt in that package for Gleason and Tverdovsky. You're essentially saying Johnson was selfish by not signing with the Canes (who clearly didn't care about his development), but the Canes were well within their right to rush the Hoosier straight to the NHL because Rutherford failed at building depth at the NHL or even AHL level. It takes most defensemen (especially offensively gifted d-men) at least 4 full years to get accustomed to the NHL game. In Johnson's case it took 3 years to get his offense going, and he's still a defensive liability at times as his career -90 +/- demonstrates...being paired with Doughty quite often doesn't help either considering he's taken it upon himself to model his game after Phadouche or The Wiz. Duncan Keith was absolute garbage in the NHL for 3+ years and would have been better served staying at MSU for more than his 2 years. Johnson was in the same position. If you want to see an example of how Jack Johnson would have looked like as an 18 or 19 year old Cane, take a gander at Nick Leddy of the Blackhawks who pulled him out of the U of Minny after one year. He can currently be seen on the second pairing getting his head kicked in every night on the - crap we shouldn't have traded Brian Campbell telecasts. If memory serves, the Canes' AHL affiliate at that time was in Albany. If I was 18 and my choices were Raleigh, Albany, or Ann Arbor. I'm rocking one of those hideous UofM hockey sweaters too.

Whatever Lane. It would take me hours of research to find a post from you that didn't bash someone or disagree with someone's opinion. You are right. The Canes never draft well. I guess Eric Staal, Cam Ward, Jeff Skinner, Justin Faulk, Andrew Ladd, Erik Cole, etc were lousy draft picks and Rutherford should be terminated for making such stupid choices. As far as the situation with Raleigh in 2006, Rutherford was trying to get Johnson up to the team, but Johnson didn't want to play in Raleigh. He DID want to play in the NHL, but told the Canes that if they didn't trade him, he would continue to play collegiate hockey. I would consider that using college as leverage. Oh, and as you might recall, the Canes were the defending Stanley Cup Champs in 2006, so Johnson wasn't exactly going to play for a lousy team.

lanemyer85

I like that the guy who is wishing ill on Jack Johnson because he wanted to attend college, or Brooks Orpik's need for a broken neck is worried about bashing players. I was merely stating that I completely disagree with your assessment of Johnson's situation. All of this "Johnson didn't want to play for the Canes" is speculation and rumor mongering. His parents are well off and they wanted him in college....if memory serves he was a legacy student. As for the drafting, if you look back at the Canes' drafts since 2000, Faulk is the only second rounder they've drafted who is of consequence. McBain might be something in a few years but he's another guy they've rushed to the NHL and he plays with no confidence and is overwhelmed defensively. Every team is going to hit on some early 1st rounders like Staal, and Skinner...yes those were good picks. Ladd is debatable at #4 overall considering he was dealt for a 3rd line checker/energy guy in Ruutu, and didn't receive top 6 minutes until he became a ThrashJet. And I love Ladd, he's one of my favorite NHLers, but he isn't a first line player. He's actually wasted on a first line because he's one of the top defensive wingers in the game. That said, you can also directly attribute their current lack of scoring depth on their other 1st rounders since they drafted Johnson in 2005. Zack Boychuk, Sutter, Paradis, etc. I would say those picks along with getting almost nothing out of their second rounders over the last decade qualifies as pretty spotty drafting. Anyway, the point of this was that they were going to rush Johnson to the NHL. Yes they were a defending cup team, but they also missed the playoffs that following year and they had a lot of age and lack of speed on that blueline with Wallin, Kaberle, Hedican, and Wesley. So he was going to be rushed, and at best play 3rd pair minutes while likely getting healthy scratched on a number of dates. That wouldn't have been beneficial to his development considering he was still completely raw defensively. This is the problem with the NHL these days. No one wants to develop anyone anymore and there's a reason why well run teams like the Wings are in the mix every single year. Look at the collective age of the players they've drafted and/or developed on their current roster when they became NHL regulars.


Lidstrom - 21
Datsyuk - 23
Zetterleto - 22
Franzen - 26
Holmstrom - 26
Jagwall - 26
Howard - 25
Filppula - 23
Hudler - 23
Abdelkader - 23
Helm - 23
Ericsson - 25

notice a pattern? No teens or under college aged players. They allow their top draft picks like Riley Sheahan to stay in school, or they keep guys buried in Europe or the AHL or ECHL until they're ready....hence they aren't burning valuable cost controlled players on their 3 year entry level deals. That way when those entry level contracts expire they generally know the type of players who are worth extending and you don't have to worry about projecting what a guy like Zack Boychuk will become one day because you decided to rush him to the NHL at 19 and then set him off to consistently ride the Carolina shuffle from the AHL to the NHL while getting healthy scratched at the NHL level and rocking a suit in the press box instead of playing regular minutes in the A or college.