Crossover from BVG to PSA
mexpo75
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I was wondering the boards thoughts on how vintage cards graded by BVG crossover to PSA. Thoughts and experiences are appreciated. Thanks
PackManInNC
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They were printed on sheets and cut from them
I hate to bust that bubble
collecting 1977 topps baseball in psa 9 and psa 10
Good Luck either way. Not to many people deal with BVG for vintage because of this reason.
Steve
<< <i>All cards are sheet cut!!!!!!!
They were printed on sheets and cut from them
I hate to bust that bubble >>
Thanks for adding to the discussion, Joey.
I think the educated among us knew what I meant.
That is really the what it sounds as like your saying.
I don't know where that elavates the conversation at all. That would be like me pointing out someone's morbid obesity by posting a pic of them dressed up like Shrek. Does nothing to help the conversation.
If I posted something that was incorrect, please please tell me, if not quit trolling
<< <i>By educated, are you trying to say that you are more intelligent than me?
That is really the what it sounds as like your saying.
I don't know where that elavates the conversation at all. That would be like me pointing out someone's morbid obesity by posting a pic of them dressed up like Shrek. Does nothing to help the conversation.
If I posted something that was incorrect, please please tell me, if not quit trolling >>
I think most would consider someone who created an alt after being banned from these boards to be the troll, old buddy.
And I see you're just as classy as ever.
collecting 1977 topps baseball in psa 9 and psa 10
All I did was state that all cards are cut from a sheet. If done properly, no can tell the difference from a card cut at the factory or one cut in a basement.
It was you who started the name calling, not me.
Now if you will, leave me be.
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<< <i>All cards are sheet cut!!!!!!!
They were printed on sheets and cut from them
I hate to bust that bubble >>
On that note, all cards have been trimmed, since there's a blade cutting them at the factory.
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collecting 1977 topps baseball in psa 9 and psa 10
It is so easy to crack these holders. So much easier then PSA.
Take wire cutters and crack the upper right hand corner at the top. Just bust off a little piece. Take a flat head screw driver and pry it open slowly all the way across the top.
Once that baby pops off simply snag the card and cut across the top. Gently remove the card and insert into a card saver. So easy and so safe.
Then sub and you have a shot. Bottom line is it is super tough to cross high dollar cards in the holder. Beckett has been sold so many times in the past five years and their market share has plummeted on new submissions so they over grade. Period.
It is a huge risk so when I buy BGS cards I pay half of what I would in a PSA holder knowing I only have a 40% chance of winning which is my prior cross rate percentage. I assume the card is graded at least a full point to high and if not I win.
BVG is different then BGS. My guess is you should bid 1.5 to 2 grades below PSA to win consistently.
Either way crack first and bid right and you won't get hurt to bad.
Personally, I wouldn't even consider buying a BVG card unless I could preview it in-hand. Most, if not all, that I've seen either have flaws that seriously suggest the card is overgraded or demonstrate characteristics that suggest the card should not have been encapsulated. Even scarier when looking at OPC material in BGS holders!!!
Given the choice of a card that I need, I'd feel more comfortable buying it raw from a scan on eBay than buying it in a BVG holder from a scan. You mileage may vary...
<< <i>If you want to cross anything from Beckett crack it out first.
It is so easy to crack these holders. So much easier then PSA.
Take wire cutters and crack the upper right hand corner at the top. Just bust off a little piece. Take a flat head screw driver and pry it open slowly all the way across the top.
Once that baby pops off simply snag the card and cut across the top. Gently remove the card and insert into a card saver. So easy and so safe.
Then sub and you have a shot. Bottom line is it is super tough to cross high dollar cards in the holder. Beckett has been sold so many times in the past five years and their market share has plummeted on new submissions so they over grade. Period.
It is a huge risk so when I buy BGS cards I pay half of what I would in a PSA holder knowing I only have a 40% chance of winning which is my prior cross rate percentage. I assume the card is graded at least a full point to high and if not I win.
BVG is different then BGS. My guess is you should bid 1.5 to 2 grades below PSA to win consistently.
Either way crack first and bid right and you won't get hurt to bad. >>
+1
There are better graders on this board then me but trust me you do not want this card.
<< <i>I had a 1970 Pete Rose BVG 7.5..crossover ended up PSA 6..I also have a 1979 BVG Staubach thats 8.5 and should be in a PSA 7..I will never purchase any vintage Bvg cards again..hope this helps...Scott >>
i have had 2 bvg 9's cross to psa 10's. 1979 dorsett and 1978 opc rose pop 2.
BVG 3+psa rejected
BVG 3=PSA 4.5
eyebone
I have had a 40% cross rate as I said before.
I will confess I have had a few great cards that have crossed and I did get one card to bump from a BGS 9 to a PSA 10. Not telling which one because it will kill the value.
On average you lose. Especially when it comes to the total value wagered. BGS get's to see some nice cards if a particular submitter likes that grading company but on the margin you are gong to lose buying cards in those holders with the idea of crossing them to PSA.
Long term there is a reason why some of the biggest cards in the hobby sell for dramatically more in a PSA holder.
I'm new to this board, but I'll put in my two cents.
I've cracked quite a few BVG's and sent to PSA or SGC. Still a mixed bag. Most I've had equal grade or .5 higher, some down, but the key is looking over the card as best you can and do not buy the BVG grade.
If it looks graded high then stay away from it to minimize the down grades. But its all gambling.............. Also, make sure you do not bid too high because you want the card so bad, as you may lose the bet.
I believe a couple years ago that I got BVG at more reasonable prices than more recently and therefore I'm not doing it as much.
My overall feeling is that BVG grades a little high on Vintage............
Charlie
This will be my first time to try. Ive done SGC. SGC I first started using when they first came out of the gates and I used them for about 3 years. Then stoped and I will never go back ever!! I cracked out about 15 SGC cards this year and 9 were trimmed vintage. PSA said and I agree after looking at them more. BVG we will see but I think they have turned around for the better in the last 4 years. I agree with the Sheet cut stuff but I bet some got by PSA as well. The beckett sheet stuff is a little easy to look for if you know what you are looking for. You know they didnt cut 10 sheets of 1952 Topps. But they did cut a ton of 1980-81 OPC hockey so you know to look at anything hockey and GEM a little more. YOu can kind of tell with whats out there what groups came from sheets, Just takes some time to follow. Hopefully no more will come through.
James