Doily?????????

BAJJERFAN

If it is true that many dealers cracked off the outer ring/s [2.0, 2.5 and 3.5 as well] so that they would fit into the rattler boxes, why is there such a paucity of those holders without the ring? Were they cracked out completely? The ringless ones appear to be the scarce ones.

coindeuce

I don't subscribe to the theory of modification to fit the old PCGS storage boxes. I believe most of the outer frames were incidentally damaged, and removed for aesthetic reasons. Many of the Doily holders simply haven't survived intact because of the incentive to crackout artists for upside in the bull markets.

TomB

I've never heard of the theory written about in the OP, but the followup post makes some logical points, in my opinion.

ColonialCoinUnion

<< <i>If it is true that many dealers cracked off the outer ring/s [2.0, 2.5 and 3.5 as well] so that they would fit into the rattler boxes >>



Never heard that before.

DRUNNER

I have only heard that mentioned in a previous thread here . . . .but have never heard that espoused by any older dealers. In looking at the cracked and damaged rings on many 2.0 to 3.5s . . . . I'd have to think the vast majority of the damaged ones happened on cement bourse floors, not as a result of putting them in Rattler boxes. Several of you know, I purchased one Doily that was inadvertantly dropped while being packaged for shipment . . . and got the outer ring cracked basically off. I was fine with it . . . but it does happen . . . still.

Perhaps an odd collector or two . . .but not the majority . . . IMHO.

Drunner

BAJJERFAN

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<< <i>If it is true that many dealers cracked off the outer ring/s [2.0, 2.5 and 3.5 as well] so that they would fit into the rattler boxes >>



Never heard that before. >>



That was espoused by someone [not me] a couple years ago. I can assume in 1989/90 that there weren't any of today's style boxes in which to keep them.

oreville

Absolutely, when the doily and other double slabs came out with the double shell, some dealers and some collectors (including myself) broke out the outer shells to fit them in the older PCGS cardboard boxes.

Not that all of them were cracked open but some of them were done.

But also keep in mind that many of the doilies were then cracked open entirely around 1996 and 1997 to resubmit for higher grades at NGC and/or PCGS.

This is why they are scarce.

But the supply can always be increased by busting open the outer shell of these doilies.

On the other hand, many of these doilies have been "repaired" by putting extra outer rings laying around or from other very old holders.

I know, I have done it quite a few times. Also, I have a couple of extra outer rings left.

The one that was sold to me is a gag gift one that falls apart in your hands and can be put back into place.

Lakesammman

So it's not a urban legend??

I sure like the rattler boxes for the rattlers - they stay where they belong.

I can't see after all the 2.0 and 2.5 holders that there would be a shortage of the new style/size boxes.

Seems odd that you see more 3.0's with the outer rim missing than you do 2.0's or 2.5's.