A partial list of signers at upcoming White Plains Show in March
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I wonder if Shantz & Groat are going to hash out the '60 World Series?
I think Babe Ruth would be amazed that ballplayers could get paid millions of dollars to play baseball, and
then get this much money for a signature.
I can understand guys like Fingers and the old timers getting a little more, but Wade Boggs charges all that money ? That is just a shame.
<< <i>I'm still amazed at the prices that are paid for autographs.
I think Babe Ruth would be amazed that ballplayers could get paid millions of dollars to play baseball, and
then get this much money for a signature.
I can understand guys like Fingers and the old timers getting a little more, but Wade Boggs charges all that money ? That is just a shame. >>
They're not making more than they did when they played. In most cases with current players, it's not close. I bet Shantz and Groat are getting somewhere between $5-10K to show up. Some guys get paid per piece but you have to take a risk to do that and most players won't. The autograph market is going to go in the tank one of these days when people stop and realize that Willie Mays charges $300 for a signed baseball and you can get a Mays PSA Certified one on eBay for $80. I say this as a terrified autograph collector. There's just too much stuff from living players out there. If you collect autos, buy players that died before 1995. You'll do much better.
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My uncle Joe had the privilege to get Babe's autograph when the Babe was visiting his daughters lodge in New Hampshire
back in 1941. The Babe was very polite and cordial, as he was well known, always taking time to sign upon requests.
Then you hear stories about Mickey Mantle not being able to sign kids requests at resturants because of contractual reasons.
I know collectors have become more greedy, and thus the athletes have become more cautious, but for heavens sake, why
are these millionaires who just retired charging so much for an auto. I know Henry Aaron only made 200,000k per season when
he broke Babe Ruth's record in 1974, so I understand the old timers asking a lot. But why these new guys who had these
million dollar contracts. What's their story ?
Goose's line was huge, Sheff's wasn't.
Why is White Plains advertising the fact that ACE Autograph Certification is going to have a booth there, and that they qualify as a "grading service?"
There have been quite a few threads on here, and one thread on here linked to a thread on Net54 about a huge scam surrounding Ace Autograph Certification.
"Then you hear stories about Mickey Mantle not being able to sign kids requests at resturants because of contractual reasons."
I wouldn't sign for anyone during dinner and think it is rather rude to ask. I'm also not going to sign in the restroom or during my evening drink. I would likely sign about any other time of the day, but playing baseball (or the like) shouldn't mean I have to harassed every waking moment of the day. The difference in Babe's time and now, is that they were not.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
If I'm Derek Jeter, and I make millions to play in NY City, and I'm at a club one night in NY, and some guys ask for autographs,
then I would hope Derek would make these guys happy with that request.
If you make millions in a city, and you get approached in that city, then these millionaires should feel a bit obliged to take care
of the loyal people who are paying their salaries.
It's just rude for a millionaire to turn down a fans request for one simple autograph. It's also rude for a millionaire to charge money
for his auto. That is just insane.
<< <i>So sad to hear that meteoriteguy.
If I'm Derek Jeter, and I make millions to play in NY City, and I'm at a club one night in NY, and some guys ask for autographs,
then I would hope Derek would make these guys happy with that request.
If you make millions in a city, and you get approached in that city, then these millionaires should feel a bit obliged to take care
of the loyal people who are paying their salaries.
It's just rude for a millionaire to turn down a fans request for one simple autograph. It's also rude for a millionaire to charge money
for his auto. That is just insane. >>
Having been a collector for awhile, I will say that if you saw what autograph dealers (not regular SCN type traders but legit dealers with retail websites) do when approaching an athlete I think you'd feel differently. I have seen people approach athletes with 40 photos (the SAME photo) or a full box of baseballs (and have the temerity to ask for inscriptions)! It's those people that caused this, not the athletes. Again, I say this as a guy that goes out to quote a few autograph events.
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or how Mickey Mantle would turn down one kid in a resturant.
I understand turning down a guy who continously bothers a star or athlete. That is understood.
But I don't understand how stars can turn down one simple request. Or sign for lots of money like Boggs is doing when
Boggs made millions over his career. That is low class in my book.
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<< <i>I'm still amazed at the prices that are paid for autographs.
I think Babe Ruth would be amazed that ballplayers could get paid millions of dollars to play baseball, and
then get this much money for a signature.
I can understand guys like Fingers and the old timers getting a little more, but Wade Boggs charges all that money ? That is just a shame. >>
They're not making more than they did when they played. In most cases with current players, it's not close. I bet Shantz and Groat are getting somewhere between $5-10K to show up. Some guys get paid per piece but you have to take a risk to do that and most players won't. The autograph market is going to go in the tank one of these days when people stop and realize that Willie Mays charges $300 for a signed baseball and you can get a Mays PSA Certified one on eBay for $80. I say this as a terrified autograph collector. There's just too much stuff from living players out there. If you collect autos, buy players that died before 1995. You'll do much better. >>
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i>I agree, but I was referring to a simple autograph request of one person, like how Babe Ruth signed for my uncle Joe,
or how Mickey Mantle would turn down one kid in a resturant.
I understand turning down a guy who continously bothers a star or athlete. That is understood.
But I don't understand how stars can turn down one simple request. Or sign for lots of money like Boggs is doing when
Boggs made millions over his career. That is low class in my book. >>
I still don't see how you can see it not extremely rude to interrupt someone's meal for an autograph request. Let's not pretend the kid would have been a big fan of Mantle, a player that played likely 20 years before the kid was born.
Boggs is not charging at the event, nor is he making $65 a signature. The show promoter is doing that. Boggs is getting paid a fee. Should he? Of course, this is a job to him. Did you cash your last pay check or give it back and thank them? If one thinks $65 is too high, don't pay it. You can get a PSA DNA Topps RC for around $50 on eBay, and I am sure several other certified signatures for less.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>If I'm Derek Jeter, and I make millions to play in NY City, and I'm at a club one night in NY, and some guys ask for autographs, then I would hope Derek would make these guys happy with that request. >>
What makes you think that he doesn't?
And, maybe those guys should grow up.
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Babe Ruth signed a contract on March 10, 1930 with the American League Base Ball Club of New York (The Yankees) to play baseball for the next two years at an annual salary of $80,000. In 2010 the CPI was 14 times larger than it was in 1931, and the GDP deflator was 12 times larger. This means that if we are interested in Ruth's purchasing power of housing or meals, then he was "earning" the equivalence of about $1,000,000 today.
In 2010, the average consumer unit spends about 32 times in dollars more than it spent 76 years earlier. Thus, if we want to compare Ruth's earnings using the index of what the average household buys, it would be over $2,500,000 today. The relative cost of labor is 42 times (unskilled) and 50 time (manufacturing production workers) higher in 2010 than in 1932. So if we wanted to compare his wage to what someone selling hot dogs would earn, we could say his "relative wage" is three and a half to four million.
GDP per capita and GDP are 75 and 186 times larger in 2010 than they were in 1931. Thus Ruth's earnings relative to the average output would be $6,100,000 today. Finally, as a share of GDP, Ruth's "output" that year would be $15,300,000 in today's money.