Indian head cent question

coinvac41

I'm trying to put together a vf-xf set of Indian cents and while cruising Fee-bay I came across an 1883 in a new style ANACS holder graded MS-60 details- recolored. How did they maintain MS-60 details? I'm not good at the" linky thing" or I would do that here. I'm also curious if I may already bought some coins that have been done. If it has MS-60 details I would think it would not need to be recolored. Any thoughts?
Thanks.

TexasNationals

LINKED

If a MS coin is messed with and recolored it is still uncirculated, thus the MS-60. No doubt it lost some points with the cleaning and re-coloring, but none the less still uncirculated.

BaseballAbs

Sounds like the coin had been recolored before sent to ANACS. It had MS-60 details but didn't grade because of the coloring. It can only get a grade if it's a problem free coin. A coin that fits in the guidelines of getting a grade.

coinvac41

I guess I worded my OP wrong. What was possibly done to the coin that did not destroy the MS-60 details? I have seen coins that were run in a tumbler and recolored with Deller's Darkener, but my grandkids could spot them across the room. The coin surely looked good enough to try to get it slabbed.

mingot

<< <i>I guess I worded my OP wrong. What was possibly done to the coin that did not destroy the MS-60 details? I have seen coins that were run in a tumbler and recolored with Deller's Darkener, but my grandkids could spot them across the room. The coin surely looked good enough to try to get it slabbed. >>



By using a chemical that takes off a *very* small layer of metal instead of putting it into a tumbler.

Walkerguy21D

That's what I think also. It was probably a nice brown unc, someone gave it a quick dip in a solution like jewel luster, which removed the oxidized copper, and left a glowing 'pink' unnatural looking cent. I don't know about the recoloring process. The pics on eBay are pretty small, but doesn't look like it got Deller's Darkener, as it's too subtle. Possibly something else, or maybe just allowed to sit exposed in a warm environment for a long period of time? In any event, you are doing yourself a favor by studying and asking about such coins!

drfish

So years from now when the cent retones and loses all the pink hues will the coin always be upgradable? Is it just the pink color or are the surfaces altered on these recolored cents?

Walkerguy21D

Good question, and I hope others with perhaps more informed opinions chime in.
Copper coins are not treated like silver coins, where light and even repeated dippings are acceptable and the norm on many MS coins. Worst case the luster is impaired to the point where it lowers the grade, copper is not accepted like that.
I do not know what the future holds as far a standards go, if anything they are becoming more stringent with copper. I have seen plenty of large cents in holders that were likely dipped many decades ago, and retoned to 'market acceptable' levels. But I think more recently these coins are getting genny holders. But maybe the pendulem will swing back some day? Also bear in mind each coin is different. I've seen some dipped abominations that would unlikely never holder; others I've seen are much more subtle and deceptive, and with time perhaps will become acceptable to certify.

relicsncoins

I think dipped copper should eventually be able to tone naturally to a a RB or BN and be gradeable, but you are probably talking years not months.