1980 Topps Rickey Henderson PSA 10 Gem Mint...

Dpeck100

With the record breaking sale of the PSA 10 Gem Mint Ozzie Smith rookie one must think that the Rickey Henderson would bring some serious coin too.

Any guesses or thoughts on what that card could bring?

Any prior sales data would be appreciated too.

Toro

The difficulty of the card in a PSA 10 is up there. The cards a pop 10. I think it's one of those cards that can reach the same level as the Ozzie if you get a few bidders with deep pockets.

cwazzy

I don't think it would reach Ozzie's status. Rickey may be a HOFer (and more deservingly so than Ozzie IMHO) but I don't think he's as well liked as Ozzie. Add to that the fact that there are twice as many Henderson's out there. Yes, HOF rookie collectors will bid it up quite high but I just don't think it would get more than $10k. And even that is crazy.

MBMiller25

It's funny, I was talking about this today with fellow board member bporter26. At the Cleveland National A few years ago I was buying a card from a younger guy (mnmiracle on eBay) and he had a Henderson and smith PSA 10 RC's for sale. He wanted $5K each. Guess I should have bought the Smith.

RonBurgundy

What an interesting subject.

handyman

Next ozzie will sell for 9,000-11,500 is my guess.

Dpeck100

I have noticed the PSA 9 Henderson has sold above $300 recently. I think you could see $15,000 for a Henderson PSA 10.

There are 10 out of 11,073 cards submitted.

The deep money pocket collectors have to be intrigued by these population reports and when you consider the cost of entrance into the tru vintage market this is a drop in the bucket.

These sets are at the tail end of the cool Topps set but are still hard to find a lot of the cards in high grade and these are both superstar cards with 0.10% pop rates.

Dboneesq

Prior to the recent Mile High Sale, the two most recent Hendersons sold in 2009 for $7,500.00 and $9,300.00, more than the two most recent Ozzies, which sold in 2009 for $7,900.00 and in 2010 for $6,500.00.

Dpeck100

BBG,

I made that mistake earlier. The buyers premium is included in the hammer price.





Current Bidding
Minimum Bid: $900.00
Final Bid(Includes Buyers Premium): $20,852.37
Number of Bids: 20

RoarIn84

Is there some sort of common flaw on the Henderson that keeps getting it bumped down to a 9? It's rather amazing that a vastly plentiful, white-bordered card from the 80s is such a low-pop.....

Darin

I think you can throw out that 25K ozzie price as far as evaluative purposes of what the next ozzie 10 or the next rickey 10 will bring.
It was a blip on the radar.

Darin

<< <i>Is there some sort of common flaw on the Henderson that keeps getting it bumped down to a 9? It's rather amazing that a vastly plentiful, white-bordered card from the 80s is such a low-pop..... >>



Its usually found off centered. Back in the mid eighties I sent 7 or 8 of my best ones to a dealer with an ad in SCD paying $20 or 25 apiece. He cherry-picked my best ones and sent two or three back. One he sent back I now have in a SGC 96 (9) holder. I guess I'm lucky he didn't want them all.

Dpeck100

This was no blip on the radar. People want to place money in valuable hard assets. It may not sell tomorrow for what it sold for last night but long term the Ozzie Smith card is a winner which means it will go higher.

When you have cards that are this mass produced that have some how managed to have such small Gem Mint grades they stand out and that is what happened last night.

I think the recent induction of Barry Larkin helped as collectors were revisiting the shortstop position and clearly Ozzie Smith was the WIZARD.

The Rickey Henderson card is everywhere and if there are only 10 Gem Mint grades to go around if two to three new serious collectors want this card it will double or triple in price taking it to $14,000 to 19,500.

That is a wide range but when egos get involved it is not.

Darin

dpeck, I might agree with what your saying except for the fact that I think there will still be more Ozzie and Rickey rookie cards in PSA 10 holders eventually.
It would be safer to invest in vintage high grade rookies, where the unopened factor is just not there.

Don't you think with this recent Ozzie PSA 10 sale, that every collector with a high end PSA 9 will seriously consider sending it back to psa in the hopes for a bump? And I'm sure many collectors with unopened 79 product may decide to seriously consider busting packs, boxes, cases.
All it takes is two PSA 9's upgraded and two new gem mint unopened finds and the pop all the sudden doubles.

Dpeck100

I am not a cynical person in regards to PSA grading. With the premium PSA 10's have carried for both issues for 12 years I think many have tried what you are forecasting with no luck.


These cards have 0.10% Gem Mint Pop rates. That is tough for any modern card.


As time goes by these become true vintage cards and rare one's will be valuable.

MrVintage

Anyone that's ever busted any 79s can tell you that the Ozzie is absolutely brutal and I seriously doubt there will be many more 10s

RonBurgundy

The Ozzie is a much tougher card but I don't expect the pops in 10's to ever be that much different. Ill leave it at that.

hammered

If even 50 of the current 217 PSA 9s of that card were sent in for review it would double the number of 10s. When the number of 10s doubles in the next year or two, this becomes a $3000 card. And after that ridiculous sale, anyone holding a nice PSA 9 would be absolutely stupid not to review it several times.

Dpeck100

So when the PSA 9 was a $300 card and the PSA 10 was a $4200 card no one was sending in their PSA 9's for review???

I think the $10 to $15 might have been worth it then too.

hammered

If you were holding a nice PSA 9, and you saw that a PSA 10 (an overgraded one, I might add) brought $20K, would you spend the $ to get it bumped?

There are 217 nines out there. I'll bet 50 of them are nicer than that 10 that just sold. If those 50 were each reviewed six times, I have no doubt the # of tens would double quickly.

hammered

I'll add that obviously most of them will not be reviewed, many owners likely aren't even aware of the possibility. But that's the kind of sale that gets people's attention, and I would not be surprised at all to see the pop move from 4 to 8 in the next couple years, and the value will drop significantly.

Dpeck100

You may very well be right. I don't know. I would think many have played the re grade game but perhaps they can keep playing and win.

That being said even it it doubles it is still rare.

ThoseBackPages

You guys really feel that PSA is going to let the pop double? lol

Dpeck100

Thanks for posting those. Sorry but this card in PSA 10 Gem Mint is money and going to start to move higher at some point soon.

The 1980 Rickey Henderson just does not normally look that good.

CNote

<< <i>Thanks for posting those. Sorry but this card in PSA 10 Gem Mint is money and going to start to move higher at some point soon.

The 1980 Rickey Henderson just does not normally look that good. >>



The couple I pulled from packs had a bunch of print dots and appeared out of registration

MattyC

When evaluating the wisdom of say a $10K+ Henderson PSA 10 RC, I can't help factoring in the amount of unopened 1980 product. I have to think that over time a few more 10s will pop up. I have also reviewed a handful of star 9 cards in the past that bumped to 10. And I've seen a few beautiful 9s out there that to the naked eye eclipse the worst of the tens.

So though I'd love to own a true, worthy PSA 10 of the Henderson RC, should one come up soon, I'd rather pass and see what transpires in terms of its price and new ones popping up over the next few years. But that is because I have to be picky about what I drop over say 5k on; if I had real insane bank, then sure, why not pull the trigger.

I think there is great value in buying higher end 9s of this card; the kind of 9s that you know can hang with 10s, but just didn't get the love that day at PSA. I actually just was inspired by this thread to hit the $300 BIN on one of the best-centered, utterly tilt-less 9s of the Henderson that I'd seen in some time.

WinPitcher

There is a history regarding 1980 Henderson rookie cards in PSA 9

Someone a few years back tried to corner the market. If he did not win it

he made sure the winner ponied up. It got to the point where those actively

seeking a PSA 9 stopped pursuing it. Maybe someone else will chime in

but that's the gist of it. Of course that player may no longer be seeking these cards out.

MattyC

That's interesting.

Good 9s are hard to find. The centering and tilt on this particular card can really detract from the eye appeal. It's just a great looking card of a sick player.

grote15

There is a history regarding 1980 Henderson rookie cards in PSA 9

Someone a few years back tried to corner the market. If he did not win it

he made sure the winner ponied up. It got to the point where those actively

seeking a PSA 9 stopped pursuing it. Maybe someone else will chime in

but that's the gist of it. Of course that player may no longer be seeking these cards out.

I remember that...the user ID on ebay began with an "m" I think, can't recall exactly...I pulled a PSA 9 from a cello pack and still have it in my collection.

The PSA 10 on the right has a slight tilt that would bother me for a card like that...does the one on the left have snow in the dark background. Wonder if that would PD if submitted today.

70ToppsFanatic

Considering that the PSA 9 Ozzie has recently sold in the $400-$500 range and the PSA 9 Henderson somewhat lower, review submissions
might be considered somewhat costly relative to the card value if they did not get the bump. No?

ThoseBackPages

the Rickey Rookie is simply an iconic modern baseball card.

in fact, other then Mariano Rivera, i cannot think of another Modern Baseball HOF Rookie Card that the player only has that ONE rookie card available.

when i was a kid, owning a Mint (*There were no slabs back in the day) copy always seemed to be out of my reach.

When i returned to the addiction in 2005, this was one of the first slabs that i had to have:



(wow, i really need to rescan it)

Toro

I think were going to see a climb in unopened and PSA 9's of 70's and 80's rookies. I just hate that it's the PSA forum members driving the price up on each other. .

Great Rickey's by the way!