See,Tahoedale has some great points,PCGS grading contest 40% in hand
This would be kind of cool and interesting, if PCGS did a grading coins by pictures contest on-line!
I would like to see the %'s and results for that. My guess would be that the % WOULD be higher then in hand as PCGS would use clear pictures, not like some sellers and you would have time to cross reference the coins you are grading with Photograde and other graded coins on line in a no rush or pressure environment. Also only a select few might be able to enter and participate in the grading "in hand" but many more could on line and yes I do believe it is possible to grade (depending on the clarity of the picture and whether or not the lighting is hiding scratches etc..) from pictures and some are very good at it.
I'll admit I can't grade the "Monster" Morgans from a picture. It's tough when some/many have the looks and marks of a 64 and are graded 66. I just can't predict what they will do at any particular time. Years ago we could do much better from images.
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Pictures are misleading, period. I posted a "guess the grade" thread with bad pictures last month, and the coins were undergraded by an average of 10 points. I plan to post the same coins in a month or two after everyone forgets the other thread, with excellent pictures, and see how the grades turn out. Should be fun.
It's been my belief that many forum members guess low on grade for a number of reasons. Me thinks the main reason is perhaps they are of the mindset that if they guess low that they are a tough grader and will somehow be "respected" more for a low guess, rather than a high one. Gotta keep up that online reputation.
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<< <i>It's been my belief that many forum members guess low on grade for a number of reasons. Me thinks the main reason is perhaps they are of the mindset that if they guess low that they are a tough grader and will somehow be "respected" more for a low guess, rather than a high one. Gotta keep up that online reputation. >>
I've also noticed that. I tend to be conservative because the graders can view the actual coin under good lighting and they may see defects (eg. hairlines or impaired luster) that are not visible or readily discernible in the pics.
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<< <i>It's been my belief that many forum members guess low on grade for a number of reasons. Me thinks the main reason is perhaps they are of the mindset that if they guess low that they are a tough grader and will somehow be "respected" more for a low guess, rather than a high one. Gotta keep up that online reputation. >>
I've also noticed that. I tend to be conservative because the graders can view the actual coin under good lighting and they may see defects (eg. hairlines or impaired luster) that are not visible or readily discernible in the pics. >>
I grade low cause dealers and sellers always grade high.
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With decent photos, it's fairly easy to grade circulated coins; Mint State coins are tougher. Photograde is probably the best known avenue for grading by photos (check out PCGS Photograde Online).
<< <i>I think I'm pretty good when it comes to series' that I pay attention to. If you take decent quality pics, I can probably get the grade within half a point, on average, I'd bet. For MS coins, that is. >>
I agree. If you are extremely experienced with a series you can usually get pretty close with a picture. One must remember that a picture can completely throw you even where your experience is deep. It's difficult to impossible to detect the nature of surfaces which can be critical to ultimate grade.
Lloyd, anybody can grade from pictures. The question is, how many members can CORRECTLY grade from pictures. I think grading from pictures is a craps shoot at best. One has to see the coin in hand to be accurate.
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<< <i>Lloyd, anybody can grade from pictures. The question is, how many members can CORRECTLY grade from pictures. I think grading from pictures is a craps shoot at best. One has to see the coin in hand to be accurate.
Larry L.
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Wont get any arguement from me pal!
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There was a coin of interest in Teletrade's Tuesday auction. I was seriously thinking about pulling the triger but then I saw something that was more indestinguishable than clear. I rely heavily on accurate pictures, mainly on the strike, any marks. I'll also run the pictures through my photoshop, inverting the colors, use of the bright and contrast functions will show the marks more clearly. Full luster in the fields will show up darker in a photo. I should have called about the coin earlier in the day but hopefully it's surface soon since it wasn't full steps. An accurate picture can get you close to what the coin may look like in hand but to accurately grade it?
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
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This would be kind of cool and interesting, if PCGS did a grading coins by pictures contest on-line!
I would like to see the %'s and results for that. My guess would be that the % WOULD be higher then in hand as PCGS would use clear pictures, not like some sellers and you would have time to cross reference the coins you are grading with Photograde and other graded coins on line in a no rush or pressure environment. Also only a select few might be able to enter and participate in the grading "in hand" but many more could on line and yes I do believe it is possible to grade (depending on the clarity of the picture and whether or not the lighting is hiding scratches etc..) from pictures and some are very good at it.
<< <i>This has been a question posed frequently in the last ten years,sore subject with me.I say you cant! >>
So this thread isn't really to ask a question, but to make a statement?
I just can't predict what they will do at any particular time.
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<< <i>This has been a question posed frequently in the last ten years,sore subject with me.I say you cant! >>
<< <i>It's been my belief that many forum members guess low on grade for a number of reasons. Me thinks the main reason is perhaps they are of the mindset that if they guess low that they are a tough grader and will somehow be "respected" more for a low guess, rather than a high one. Gotta keep up that online reputation
I've also noticed that. I tend to be conservative because the graders can view the actual coin under good lighting and they may see defects (eg. hairlines or impaired luster) that are not visible or readily discernible in the pics.
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<< <i>It's been my belief that many forum members guess low on grade for a number of reasons. Me thinks the main reason is perhaps they are of the mindset that if they guess low that they are a tough grader and will somehow be "respected" more for a low guess, rather than a high one. Gotta keep up that online reputation
I've also noticed that. I tend to be conservative because the graders can view the actual coin under good lighting and they may see defects (eg. hairlines or impaired luster) that are not visible or readily discernible in the pics. >>
I grade low cause dealers and sellers always grade high.
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<< <i>I think I'm pretty good when it comes to series' that I pay attention to. If you take decent quality pics, I can probably get the grade within half a point, on average, I'd bet. For MS coins, that is. >>
I agree. If you are extremely experienced with a series you can usually get pretty close with a picture. One
must remember that a picture can completely throw you even where your experience is deep. It's difficult to
impossible to detect the nature of surfaces which can be critical to ultimate grade.
Larry L.
<< <i>Lloyd, anybody can grade from pictures. The question is, how many members can CORRECTLY grade from pictures. I think grading from pictures is a craps shoot at best. One has to see the coin in hand to be accurate.
Larry L.
Wont get any arguement from me pal!
An accurate picture can get you close to what the coin may look like in hand but to accurately grade it?
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
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