Taler Roundup from NYC Show

Zohar

Finally received all in hand and imaged. Ended up being a very productive show for me. Listed by order of importance for my set. Forgive my repost of a couple, yet thought I would share in a single thread.

1) Austria, Holy Roman Empire. Archduke Ferdinand II (1564-95) Double Taler. TRULY RARE.
Hall mint. Posthumous issue.
Davenport 8120.
NGC graded AU 55, lightly toned. Never thought I would own one!




2) Salzburg. Hieronymus. Count Von Colloredo-Waldsee (1772-1803) Taler.
Davenport 1263
NGC MS-65. Scarce in such grade. Superb coin.





3) 1857-A Emperor Franz Joseph Double Taler Vienna-Trieste Railway - see write up - 1857-A Double Thaler

Mere mintage of 1,644. Grade: NGC MS-62. Scarce type with a very low total mintage of which a few have survived in this select quality.





4) 1721 Charles VI Taler - very neat piece. Upgrade for me.





5) 1743-KB Maria Theresia Taler. Scarcer mint. Cruder strikes compared with the Hall Mint strikes. My first of this type.

JCMhouston

I still like the one with the choo-choo on it, but that Madonna reverse isn't all that bad either.

BillyKingsley

Spectacular as always Zohar. What makes the Ferdinand II so rare? Is it just attrition, low mintage, a combination of both, or something above my knowledge level? You say Posthumus issue...when does that place it? It looks more like the style of the Charles VI, perhaps slightly less refined. I suppose what I'm getting at is, was it immediate or later after his death?

I think I like the Franz Joseph issue the most. That's really early in the mechanical vehicle era- is that the first coin (or token) to ever depict a train?

Zohar

Billy - thanks for the questions which I will try and answer.

Ferdinand: Double Taler, Post death, I believe around 1601. Lower mintage, head facing left which is not common. Based on Moser/Tursky reference 310/308 die type makes it scarcer. See reference to another similar type - LINK

Re trains - I really liked the piece myself given the historical significance, "choo choo" design and went after it even though its 19th century. I doubt this is the first coin to depict a train given that it existed prior. Here is a medal from 1844 with a similar theme -

Cheers,

Z

Fountainhead

The 1721 is in a shockingly good state of preservation. What is the story behind that coin?

Zohar

Fountainhead - thanks. Not much behind this one other than a different younger bust of Charles VI (Habsburg emperor). Took me a while to find an MS piece of the type. You can see the evolution of Charles VI bust designs in my set (signature line) which is ordered by ruler/date of the dynasty.

Fountainhead

Do we know the story? Was it a presentation piece to one of Chuck's minions? Was it lost in a cabinet soon after minting?

Zohar

I wish I did know. Likely to have been passed along royalty over the centuries.

When looking at some of the 16-17th century materials it is even difficult to understand how these survived in such condition.

SYRACUSIAN

<< <i>I wish I did know. Likely to have been passed along royalty over the centuries.

When looking at some of the 16-17th century materials it is even difficult to understand how these survived in such condition.

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I would assume that talers are excellent candidates for hoarding, and valuable coins.


Spectacular my dear Zohar, a productive show indeed!

TwoKopeiki

Great additions, Z! That Salzburg is stunning

steveben

all very nice. but, i especially like #2 and #4. wow!

marcmoish

TTT and a note I love those two Salzburg Talers - what can I say

BillyKingsley

Thanks for the reply! I know nothing or next to nothing, everytime I read one of your threads I learn something new. That medal is very nice as well!

Pokermandude

<< <i>4) 1721 Charles VI Taler - very neat piece. Upgrade for me.


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This is by far my favourite in that lot. It is simply amazing. I usually hate it when people quote the OP pictures in their response, but this one is too nice not to see again on the same page

worldcoinguy

Great writeup Zohar. I will go against the popular sentiment and say that the tough #1 2 taler piece is my favorite. Very nice.

MrEureka

When looking at some of the 16-17th century materials it is even difficult to understand how these survived in such condition.

As cool as these coins seem today, they must have seemed even cooler when they were struck. It doesn't surprise me that some were saved.

DorkGirl

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A very impressive group, Z. The Salzburg is incredible.