My theory on Silver Modern Commem's and how they tone, anyone want to jump in?

coinsarefun

Ok, here is my theory on toned Modern Commems and ASE. I am going to leave out the Artificial toning as all the coins I am posting is Natural.
My opinion of course and getting them slabbed is an entirely different animal


For right now I want to discuss the Modern Commem's, the different toning on ASE's were addressed in This thread toward the bottom


So......on to the Silver Modern Commemorative's. in which i believe, unless corrected are 90% silver and 10%. Other years may vary.

Similar to how the ASE's toned, it depends on how it was stored. In this case I have 2 examples of toning in which these were plucked from the
original mint packaging and the other was in a plastic capsule with the black foam ring. IMO this is why they were toned as such.

Two of them being in the original mint packaging, only one side tones, sometimes both. But never as really wild whereas the one in the plastic capsule with the black foam ring exposed both sides
to the toning agent. I also think that coins tone more vividly and quickly if they are stored in warm places, not necessarily humid.

Most of my greatest toners came from desert towns of the southwest area's


Examples are below are proof coins and anyone who wants to add or disagree and give reason why........I have open ears and mind

RedTiger

I tend to be cynical. I believe most new coins are toned because docs found creative ways to make them tone attractively. The docs do it, because there are collectors that will pay big money for the right look. It is not only modern commems and eagles, but some series such as Peace dollars and Walking Liberty halves. For decades there were very few attractively toned examples. While the number is still relatively small for those series, it is several orders of magnitude greater than it used to be. The docs are hard at work on their assembly lines. They have bills to pay. Collectors that buy these beauties can make up rationalizations or theories, but the simple explanation, docs looking to make a profit is by far the most likely.

Yes, once in a great while a coin is stored in an odd way, and tones attractively. However, these days, almost all collectors know proper storage. The other side is that those that want to accelerate the toning and shoot for a financial home run, also know ways to try that. Doc toning is often chemically the same as collector toning, so a sniffer, can not distinguish between the two. This renders much of the AT/NT debate moot. It is more a matter of accelerated toning vs. old time toning. Almost by definition all ultramoderns have accelerated toning. Buy them if you like them, but understand the odds are high that collectors buying them are rewarding some coin docs.

YMMV.

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JupitarCoins

I've never had any modern silver commem. tone on me.
In this case by modern I mean from 1982-present. all of which I have kept in the original goverment packaging. I dont understand how some commems I have seen are so widly toned.
Makes you wonder!!

illini420

I like your Constitution Dollar the best.

I like getting modern silver dollar commems that are toned... especially when you can get them for silver melt value...

I picked this one up over the Holidays in Maui, thought it was pretty. It was just in the dealer's case in a capsule, but Maui is definitely a warm place all year round. It was hard to shoot the color so I took a few shots with different lighting angles:








Too bad the coin has some haziness to it, otherwise it would be much better. Not sure if acetone would fix it w/o messing with the color so I just left it as is for now.

19Lyds

<< <i>I like your Constitution Dollar the best.

I like getting modern silver dollar commems that are toned... especially when you can get them for silver melt value...

I picked this one up over the Holidays in Maui, thought it was pretty. It was just in the dealer's case in a capsule, but Maui is definitely a warm place all year round. It was hard to shoot the color so I took a few shots with different lighting angles:







Too bad the coin has some haziness to it, otherwise it would be much better. Not sure if acetone would fix it w/o messing with the color so I just left it as is for now. >>

Thats an awesome looking piece!

golfer72

<< <i>I tend to be cynical. I believe most new coins are toned because docs found creative ways to make them tone attractively. The docs do it, because there are collectors that will pay big money for the right look. It is not only modern commems and eagles, but some series such as Peace dollars and Walking Liberty halves. For decades there were very few attractively toned examples. While the number is still relatively small for those series, it is several orders of magnitude greater than it used to be. The docs are hard at work on their assembly lines. They have bills to pay. Collectors that buy these beauties can make up rationalizations or theories, but the simple explanation, docs looking to make a profit is by far the most likely.

Yes, once in a great while a coin is stored in an odd way, and tones attractively. However, these days, almost all collectors know proper storage. The other side is that those that want to accelerate the toning and shoot for a financial home run, also know ways to try that. Doc toning is often chemically the same as collector toning, so a sniffer, can not distinguish between the two. This renders much of the AT/NT debate moot. It is more a matter of accelerated toning vs. old time toning. Almost by definition all ultramoderns have accelerated toning. Buy them if you like them, but understand the odds are high that collectors buying them are rewarding some coin docs.

YMMV. >>

Did you read the original post? Those coins were not AT. It was clearly stated how they were stored. I agree with a lot of what you say here but that is not what these coins are.

keets

for all those cynical about the effects of Mint Pacakaging on Silver coins i suggest you do some eBay searches on "Loonies" or Canadian Silver Dollars, specifically the years 1971-1973. what you will see are examples which dwarf what Stefanie has shown in this thread, and they are common to the point that prices are held down(despite the BIN's listed by sellers such as duffdaddy). US Modern commems don't tone to the degree that the "Loonies" did, but they are typically in a plastic capsule while the Canadian packaging left the coin in open air physical contact with the velvet lining which caused the tone. while many US issues do in fact tone in the packaging since the capsules aren't air-tight, i feel a lot that we see have toned due to the preponderance of collectors to "store" coins in a medium which promotes toning, stuff like a Dansco album. i don't dispute the fact that there are coins AT'd, but they probably account for a smaller percentage than many are willing to acknowledge.

for those reasons i see nothing whatsoever to dispute with the OP's assertion(s).

TwoSides2aCoin

Global warming

coinsarefun

<< <i>I like your Constitution Dollar the best.

I like getting modern silver dollar commems that are toned... especially when you can get them for silver melt value...

I picked this one up over the Holidays in Maui, thought it was pretty. It was just in the dealer's case in a capsule, but Maui is definitely a warm place all year round. It was hard to shoot the color so I took a few shots with different lighting angles:








Too bad the coin has some haziness to it, otherwise it would be much better. Not sure if acetone would fix it w/o messing with the color so I just left it as is for now. >>







Its a very pretty one illini420 like most of the ones posted in my image I had to either tilt the coin or place a white piece of paper
above the coin and the toning shows of better,



There are some nice Modern Commem's out there with NT, they are far and few but given the mint packaging give it some time, the right climate (stored)
you will see more and more come out


Here is one that I sold last year, kind of miss this one

kiyote

coinsarefun-- I have a PCGS MS69 First Flight dollar that I got from a B&M that toned the same way as that Ike. Do you know how the Ike got that way?

segoja

There are plenty of neatly (original) toned modern commems.

A lot of AT stuff as well, but the spectacular ones sell for some pretty big bucks.

coinsarefun

<< <i>coinsarefun-- I have a PCGS MS69 First Flight dollar that I got from a B&M that toned the same way as that Ike. Do you know how the Ike got that way? >>






The Ike was in the mint packaging, I think it was a special set or a type of Leacy set and it came from a Pwnshop
In Laughlin. That along with a few other coins were in the main display case showing in the window, but the windows were tinted.
However I think there was enough heat to toned it. Now all the other coin sets were white, except this one.