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Over-graded? A lesson in buying the card, not the slab! Review Update...

ssollarsssollars Posts: 933 ✭✭✭✭
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Hello folks,

I'm about to embark on a quest to get, in my opinion, a grossly over-graded card out of it's current slab and into one that is more appropriate and maybe get a little something for my troubles. Now I have to admit I fell "victim" to buying this slab and not the card in my effort to complete my Jim Brown basic registry set in all 8s. I have submitted three of these over the years with similar or better centering that I thought had a shot at an 8. All three came back 7s! As a collector of Jimmy cards I didn't mind the extras, but the search for my last 8 continued. I know the '66s are known for their bad card stock and PSA does seem to be lenient to some degree on their grading of this year but as you are about to see I think they pushed it a little too far on this one.

As shown below (my scan, 100dpi) at first glance it looks like a nice card, maybe a little OC but nothing stands out to me.

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I was very disappointed in the card when I first got it (it's been awhile ago) but I finished my set!!!!!

This is what I saw when I got it... (1200 dpi scans)

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Not one of those corners belongs on an PSA 8. To me those corners put this is a PSA 5 slab (maybe even a 4!)

I have since replaced this card in my set with another 8 that I'm proud to own.

I have checked the slab and it doesn't appear to be tampered with so I'm going to send it in for review this week and see what happens! image

What do you guys think PSA will do upon reviewing this card?

Scott

Comments

  • Sean1125Sean1125 Posts: 3,479
    No idea tbh will be interesting.
  • goraidersgoraiders Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭


    I'm not sure either but that is a grea Brown set!image
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    1958 Topps FB-7-8
  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They will probably give you the. 5 bump.
    Collecting 1960 Topps Baseball in PSA 8
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    Ralph

  • ArchaninatorArchaninator Posts: 827 ✭✭✭
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  • ThoseBackPagesThoseBackPages Posts: 4,871 ✭✭
    Since PSA stands behind their grades, what would happen if this slab was presented to PSA at a show?
    (asking for a reason, as i have a card that i feel is waaaay overgraded, and im going to a show they'll be at on Friday)
    Big Fan of: HOF Post War RC, Graded RCs
    WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    They regrade it, and refund you the difference via vouchers/cash back....
  • ElemenopeoElemenopeo Posts: 2,577 ✭✭
    Did you buy this sight unseen? In any case, good luck on your quest! What are you hoping to get for your troubles?

    Edited to ask: Wait, your troubles are your card is over-graded? Wow. My prayers are with you.

  • cardbendercardbender Posts: 1,831 ✭✭
    I collect this issue. I've seen corners like that before in 8 holders, although
    never all four corners that looked that bad. Usually you might get
    one corner that looks to be frayed, and the others are okay for the grade.
    To me, it looks like it might be a 5 or 6 on a review.

    I think it's always best to handle these type of issues in person at a card show.
    You need to speak with the PSA operations manager. I don't know his name, as
    the previous guy who held that position is no longer with PSA.

    As Bobby said, PSA will more than likely put the card in it's proper holder
    and pay you the difference with a check or in grading vouchers. You might
    need to prove to PSA how much you did pay for the card. VCP would help.
    Otherwise they might look at the SMR and give you that amount less the current
    new grade of the card.
  • KbKardsKbKards Posts: 1,782 ✭✭✭
    Another solution would be to stop looking at your corners under 1200dpi magnification.
  • psychumppsychump Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭
    I agree kb, sometimes this gets entirely too anal. That Jim Brown card is beautiful! Nice gloss, good display,centering is nice. Maybe a bit overgraded.
    Tallulah Bankhead — 'There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare.'
  • mlbfan2mlbfan2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭
    I'd like to see another 1966 Philadelphia PSA 8 card under 1200dpi magnification for comparison.
  • Sean1125Sean1125 Posts: 3,479


    << <i>Another solution would be to stop looking at your corners under 1200dpi magnification. >>



    Isn't that PSA's job?
  • ssollarsssollars Posts: 933 ✭✭✭✭
    Got just word that this has been bump DOWN to a PSA 6! Probably about right for this particular issue.

    Scott
  • vettfanaticvettfanatic Posts: 643 ✭✭✭
    Nice to see that you did the right thing instead of passing it off on someone else.
  • davelinkbeltdavelinkbelt Posts: 74
    On the opposite end of the spectrum, a couple of weeks ago I won a 1956 Roberto Clemente that was graded PSA 3 dirt cheap. IMO the card was way under-graded. I believe the grade scared a lot of people away. Seller would have been better off selling it as a raw card.
    Working on 1971 Topps baseball set.
  • chadridgechadridge Posts: 143


    << <i>Nice to see that you did the right thing instead of passing it off on someone else. >>



    +1 for being one of the good guys. image
    1955 Topps is done!
    working on 1956 Topps in PSA 6-7
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They will probably give you the. 5 bump. >>

    Now that's funny!
    Mike
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was just looking at another on ebay and it - too - looks potentially over-graded.

    I would imagine most sellers would tell you to take it up with PSA?

    I agree - your card is over-graded - I have a 33G card with similar corners - it looks good from afar - in a 5 holder.
    Mike
  • MeatloafMeatloaf Posts: 1,308


    << <i>Another solution would be to stop looking at your corners under 1200dpi magnification. >>



    Agreed
  • FrozencaribouFrozencaribou Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I recommend you crack the PSA 6 when it comes back and resub it for a potential 7. It's funny but it is likely.

    But seriously, did you send it in for a review with no other communication to PSA and they downgraded it to a 6? I didn't realize that when I sent my cards in for a bump they could come back two grades lower.

    -Nathanael
  • ssollarsssollars Posts: 933 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I recommend you crack the PSA 6 when it comes back and resub it for a potential 7. It's funny but it is likely.

    But seriously, did you send it in for a review with no other communication to PSA and they downgraded it to a 6? I didn't realize that when I sent my cards in for a bump they could come back two grades lower.

    -Nathanael >>



    No, I did include a note on the submission form that stated my reasons for sending the card in for review and specifically mentioned that I thought the card was over-graded.

    Scott
  • cardbendercardbender Posts: 1,831 ✭✭
    Glad PSA did the right thing and downgraded your Jim Brown card.
    Having weak looking 8's floating around the hobby is not a good
    thing and weaken's the TPGers reps and buyers trust in what they do.

    Did PSA settle up with you with some vouchers for the diff. in value
    from going from an 8 to a 6? Usually that's how they handle it. That's
    pretty fair, especially if you send in a lot of cards for grading and you'll
    use them up on a future sub.
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭✭
    Dude's got every right to examine the corners on PSA cards he buys to make sure they fit the grade. Hopefully PSA did the right thing and made up for the difference.
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • ssollarsssollars Posts: 933 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Glad PSA did the right thing and downgraded your Jim Brown card.
    Having weak looking 8's floating around the hobby is not a good
    thing and weaken's the TPGers reps and buyers trust in what they do.

    Did PSA settle up with you with some vouchers for the diff. in value
    from going from an 8 to a 6? Usually that's how they handle it. That's
    pretty fair, especially if you send in a lot of cards for grading and you'll
    use them up on a future sub. >>



    Yes they did, I opted for a voucher for the difference.

  • jay0791jay0791 Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭✭
    Glad it worked out for you.

    The 66 brown for some reason is nearly always oc. If and when u find a crisp centered example expect to pay a premium.

    Collecting PSA... FB,BK,HK,and BB HOF RC sets
    1948-76 Topps FB Sets
    FB & BB HOF Player sets
    1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
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