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Anyone think these 2 Morgan's might make MS-65? Updated pics!

GManGMan Posts: 790 ✭✭
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I just got this 1898 and this 1886 and they look very nice to me, but I'd like some other opinions.

First one is the 1886:

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Second is the 1898:

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The luster is all there on the 1898 it's just not a great picture. I'm mostly concerned with the marks and the strike. I appreciate any opinions, thoughts, or fingers pointed at me like I'm an idiot. image

Edit: Some new pics around post #25. Let me know what you think!
GMan

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    phwoo, tough decisions, looks really close

    i think i would just submit them in a larger lot in case the graders are feelin conservative that day
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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Both might.
    When in doubt, don't.
  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    Hi,

    Its close. To me, looking like 64+ x2.
    Obv. on first a touch too much going on. Rev. on second same comment. First coin slightly stronger more in my eye.

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  • MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree too close to call. I've seen 65's worse than these though. Haven't seen too many 64's better than these.
  • WindycityWindycity Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Always hard to tell with pictures but I say yes on the 1886, and 64+ on the 98. Both are nice coins.
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  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Both might. >>



    As always Dennis knows best
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    I agree with the others and had the same thoughts, it will be REAL close image
  • GManGMan Posts: 790 ✭✭
    Dang it! I was hoping you would all say "They're a lock!" Instead everyone is thinking exactly what I'm thinking. They're both on the line. The fields and cheeks are really clean but far from perfect. I also agree the 1886 is definitely the stronger coin. I bought an old album that had 20 coins in it, all common dates. Got a good deal and these were the best two and the only ones that might be worth a submission. The rest are the typical marked and chattered up 62 or 63 stuff that I usually see. These two stood out as really clean to the naked eye so I held them out. Best raw Morgan's I've seen in awhile. I'll probably submit them just to see and to learn more about grading. I won't be buried if they come back 64's anyway so why not?

    Quick submission question: If I have some coins I want to submit as varieties, does the entire submission have to be varieties, or can I just pay the $24 for the coins that need it and submit others for regular grading?

    Edit: Changed the best coin to the 1886, I put the 1898 by mistake.
    GMan
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The entire submission doesn't need to be varieties. Just put the variety info for the appropriate coin(s) you want in the "Variety" column, and be sure to add the variety fee for the appropriate number of coins to be attributed.
    When in doubt, don't.
  • itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭
    Very close on the 86. I would worry about a 58 on the 98--too much going on in the hair and on the eagle breast.
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  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    Both might and in my opinion, they should each at least 64
  • GManGMan Posts: 790 ✭✭
    Not sure I see wear on the 98 but those pictures are horrible. I was in a hurry and didn't realize how poorly the '98 turned out. I don't have them with me now so I'll try to get some better shots tomorrow. In the meantime if anyone is interested here are links to the full size images:

    1886 Obverse

    1886 Reverse

    1898 Obverse

    1898 Reverse
    GMan
  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Check the 86 for this Hot 50 Vam

    I can`t tell 100% from your pics, but it would be a image find and it does seem to have the upper hand on the other coin
  • morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like they have got a shot at 65 to me.
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  • morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Check the 86 for this Hot 50 Vam

    I can`t tell 100% from your pics, but it would be a image find and it does seem to have the upper hand on the other coin >>




    Sorry, but not a VAM 1C
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  • GManGMan Posts: 790 ✭✭
    Leebone: I did notice what looks like the upper die clashes but I couldn't see the lower ones at all. I do need to look more closely because I think the upper clash marks are definitely there. Would be very cool if it turns out to be. Is there a vam with only upper clash marks? I don't know much about them but I saw this one in the CPG earlier today. I try to check all my coins against the CPG just to be sure image
    GMan
  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Vamworld is your friend.

    image

    Keep me informed if no one else. image
  • MockingjayMockingjay Posts: 121 ✭
    1898 looks to have die cracks at 7 - 8 o'clock on reverse. Not an expert though.
  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
    great pics! 64+ or 65...good luck!
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  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like them as 64's with nice luster and that 1886 has some really nice die clashing going on.
  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    they both will likely grade 65
  • JustlookingJustlooking Posts: 2,895 ✭
    I'd say yes.
    Let's try not to get upset.
  • WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭
    I often see worse coins graded MS65. I would not grade either one MS65 but both have a decent chance. No need to worry about an AU58 grade.
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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,089 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1st one yes, 2nd one probably
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  • GManGMan Posts: 790 ✭✭
    Ok just took some new pictures. Here are the thumbnails with links below each picture for the full size image. Do they change anyone's opinion either way?

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    GMan
  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭
    very close, but no.
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  • golfer72golfer72 Posts: 3,588
    I think the strike is too weak on the reverse of the 86 to make 65. Thats the way I grade it though. PCGS may think otherwise. image
  • itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭
    The 98 looks far better in this picture!
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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,109 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Both coins should 65.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I doubt that either will 65. I do see the 86 as having the better chance

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  • kryptonitecomicskryptonitecomics Posts: 9,185 ✭
    I think they both just make it but your lighting is leaving unlit spots on the cheek and jaw and that a prime area we need to see to confirm the grade.
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  • GManGMan Posts: 790 ✭✭
    My photography skills and setup aren't exactly great. I'm going to send these in probably next month after I looks at some other coins and put together a submission. I think they have a chance and I'm really curious. I'll be sure to update this thread when I get grades back. In the meantime, if I get a chance I'll try to take some other pictures with a bit better lighting.
    GMan
  • goldengolden Posts: 9,991 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Both have a shot ,but I would guess 64+.

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