Igor Larionov.....a HOF, why?
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Okay, some of you hockey guys want to chime in for me?
I was looking over the Hockey hall of fame list and saw Larionov in there.
Total numbers: 169 goals, 475 assists, 644 total points.
I'm sorry, but those numbers suck.
I was looking over the Hockey hall of fame list and saw Larionov in there.
Total numbers: 169 goals, 475 assists, 644 total points.
I'm sorry, but those numbers suck.
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<< <i>Okay, some of you hockey guys want to chime in for me?
I was looking over the Hockey hall of fame list and saw Larionov in there.
Total numbers: 169 goals, 475 assists, 644 total points.
I'm sorry, but those numbers suck. >>
Do those numbers include what he did in Russia? Not that I agree with it, but I think they are taking his international play into consideration as well.
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I have to look again, but I believe the numbers I posted are only from NHL. Lame-0
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<< <i>It's the Hockey Hall of Fame. Larionov was part of the KLM line, one of the greatest offensive lines ever. >>
What he said.
The NHL doesn't have a Hall of Fame. Larionov got in because of his accomplishments in another league.
It is indeed the hockey hall of fame; not the NHL hall of fame. But true, if Larionov is admitted then there are any number of former Russians (and Czechs for that matter) that deserve admission who also never played an NHL game (or a few after the Curtain fell). Krutov, Makarov, Boris Mikhailov, Alexander Maltsev, Valeri Kharlamov, etc etc etc.
<< <i>Okay, some of you hockey guys want to chime in for me?
I was looking over the Hockey hall of fame list and saw Larionov in there.
Total numbers: 169 goals, 475 assists, 644 total points.
I'm sorry, but those numbers suck. >>
REALLY?? He did better than I could, although I do not play Hockey.
Dave
He anchored the red army team than literly dominated the world.
It wasn't until 1990 that the russians began to come over and play in the NHL. Wasn't alexanger Mogilny
considered the first and remember he had to defect to do it.
Now there are woman in the HK HOF that never played in the nhl.
BK is the same except you can get in based on college.....let alone professional. They even have a separate candidate for each category
FB prety much requires you to have played in the NFL. There are some players that split thier time between the CFL and NFL and never acquired the overall numbers to get elected
to either HOF. Cookie Gilchrist for example. He might be a HOFer if it was just a FB HOF like HK.
I agree on Oated. He;s a local fav....took RPI to the national championship in 85.
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Yes, Adam Oates should be in.
Sharks GM Dean Lombardi signed Larionov and traded a high draft pick for Sergei Makarov to renunite 2/3 of the KLM line in San Jose for the 1993-4 season. This came after the 1992-93 Sharks finished the season as statistically one of the worst teams in NHL history. Along with Johan Garpenlov, Jeff Norton and Sandis Ozolinsh the chemistry was instant and suddenly the Sharks had one of the most lethal lines in the NHL and help to engineer one of the greatest year to year turnarounds as the Sharks qualified for the playoffs for the first time, upset the #1 seed Detroit Red Wings in the first round and were a crossbar and and errant pass away from beating the Toronto Maple Leafs and making it to the Conference Final. The NY Rangers won the Cup that year, so who know what could have been.
Two years later the Sharks got into a rebuilding mode and Larionov requested (did not demand, by the way) a trade. All he did then was join the Red Wings where he led the famous "Russian Five" and help them to three Stanley Cups.
Larionov and Makarov were simply amazing to watch. If you've seen the Sedin Twins play the L & M guys had the same kind a chemistry. Long time Sharks fans came to love he European style game they played but unfortunately ever since we've been stuck with coaches who prefer the North American dump and chase game.
Larionov was also instrumental in leading a player revolt against the Soviet hockey system which paved the way for Russian players to play in the NHL without having to defect.
And to top it off he is/was a gentleman in ever sense of the word. Almost universally respected and loved by the hockey community. When he announced his retirement a "Farewell Game" was organized in his honor consisting of friends and teammates from the NHL and Russia and played outdoors in Red Square. Igor started for Team Russia but was traded for Steve Yzerman in the 3rd period and played the last period for Team NHL. A recap of the game can be found here:
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Larionov is listed at 5'9" 170 lbs. Having met him in person, I think this was generous. Amazing player and amazing person.
Maybe this comparison will help. Your avatar dude is one of the most physically gifted players in the NHL - size, toughness, great shot and amazing passer and puck handler. He leads one of the best lines in the NHL but he's playing like he doesn't give a s**t and it is affecting the rest of the team. Heck, the leading scorer on the Ducks is friggin 41 years old!
Igor was half his size (OK, maybe not quite) and never went through the motions. For a little guy he could take a hit. In fact if he was on the Ducks today he'd probably kick Getzlaf's ass to get him focused, simply because it was necessary for the sake of the team.
<< <i>But true, if Larionov is admitted then there are any number of former Russians (and Czechs for that matter) that deserve admission who also never played an NHL game (or a few after the Curtain fell). Krutov, Makarov, Boris Mikhailov, Alexander Maltsev, Valeri Kharlamov, etc etc etc. >>
Kharlamov is already in and I think the consensus is that Makarov will be next up.
I'm getting sick of my avatar too. Put that up during their Stanley cup year
and it's time for a change.
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<< <i>Okay, some of you hockey guys want to chime in for me?
I was looking over the Hockey hall of fame list and saw Larionov in there.
Total numbers: 169 goals, 475 assists, 644 total points.
I'm sorry, but those numbers suck. >>
REALLY?? He did better than I could, although I do not play Hockey.
Dave >>
Dave,
We understand. You were busy in the 1960s Yankees line-up, weren't you?
Dave
<< <i>Did you ever see actually see Larionov play? Igor was an unbelievable playmaker and passer and one of the smartest hockey players ever to lace 'em up. The KLM line was nearly unstoppable because of the way they could move the puck. Larionov was a deadly passer, Markarov one of the most amazing puck handlers ever, and Krutov could score with the best of them. Igor was the engine that drove the line.
. >>
Fully agree. That San Jose run was fun. I followed them since they got my guy Bob McGill in the expansion draft. San Jose getting Larianov from Vancouver was huge. I know I could look up the Detroit 5, but who were they - Fetisov and Konstantinov on defense and Fedorov, Larionov, and who was the other forward? They were so friggin' hard to hit. I remember Steve Smith and Cam Russell ramming themselves in the boards trying to nail Fedorov where he held the puck the entire time and undressed Belfour. It was depressing. They were a great team to hate and after Lemieux caved in Draper's face, even somehow became sympathetic.
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Oh hell no. I'll stick with my So Cal teams.
Kopitar for next month.
By the way, Larionov did sign autographs for me and sent me a pic. Thankfully, it wasn't a pic of him slipping the puck over Irbe's shoulder.
<< <i>I'm less amazed that Larionov is in than guys like J.C. Tremblay and Rick Middleton are out. If Adam Oates doesn't get in my head's going to explode. >>
I agree with Oates.
<< <i>I wrote to Larionov in 2008 and I told him how much I hated him (jokingly of course). I was a season ticket holder for the Hurricanes in 2001-02 and we were on a magical run through the playoffs. We stole game one against Detroit in the finals and came back to Raleigh 1-1. Game Three was a classic. We had the lead until Hull scored with about a minute left to send it into overtime. And then the game went on forever... Finally in the third overtime, Larionov puts one past Arturs Irbe for the game winner. At that point, the Canes were spent. If the Canes win that game, we've got confidence and momentum. I would say we had an excellent chance of hoisting the Cup that year. Larionov won that game and arguably the Stanley Cup for Detroit.
By the way, Larionov did sign autographs for me and sent me a pic. Thankfully, it wasn't a pic of him slipping the puck over Irbe's shoulder. >>
We watched that game at my wedding. It was one of the great sports moments of my life.
<< <i>Maybe his dad is Gordie Howe...cough*Mark*cough*Howe*cough... >>
Mark deserves to be in. Top-flight scored in the WHA (5 30-goal seasons) and a terrific 2-way defenseman in the NHL.
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<< <i>How about a Larionov avatar?
Oh hell no. I'll stick with my So Cal teams.
Kopitar for next month. >>
Not a bad choice but how about Teemu? Much as I hate the Ducks the dude is pretty frickin fun to watch even at 41, and a lock for the HOF.
<< I'm less amazed that Larionov is in than guys like J.C. Tremblay and Rick Middleton are out. If Adam Oates doesn't get in my head's going to explode. >>
<< <i>Rick Middleton should absolutely be a Hall of Famer. >>
Guys that played in the mid-70s to mid-80s and averaged less than a point a game aren't getting in. I think Middleton probably deserves it but his numbers suffer in comparison to a lot of other guys from the same era.
Tabe
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<< <i>Dave Andreychuk, Pat Verbeek, Pavel Bure, Steve Larmer, Brian Propp, Tim Kerr, Rick Vaive, Brian Nichols, Theo Fleury, Charlie Simmer, and Alexander Mogilny. And anybody with 500 Goals and 1,000 Points should be a Hall of Famer. Andreychuk and Verbeek are better than most of the Hall of Famers. Ralph Backstrom has been waiting for years and is more worthy. Dominant Scorers like Tim Kerr, Pavel Bure, Charlie Simmer and Rick Vaive should be absolutely be in the Hall of Fame. Goalies Rogie Vachon, Andy Moog, Mike Richter, and Tom Barrasso belong in the Hall of Fame. The Late Rick Martin should also be in the Hall of Fame. He was so dominant. >>
You've got some interesting criteria for guys into the HOF. You've selected some fine players but...
A lot of the guys you selected played in the mid-80s. And that's fine. Except EVERYONE had inflated stats in the mid-80s. If a guy wasn't putting up 50 goals at least on occasion, he simply wasn't elite. When 5th place in the league is 123 points (like in 1986), a guy going 40-40-80 simply isn't elite. That's not to say none of these guys belong - Tim Kerr, were he not injured, would certainly have made it. I just think your standards are too low.
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