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1982 TCMA John Elway Minor League card....

Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
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This is a card that I am interested in and I am having a little trouble finding more information on.

I can't seem to find this card in the minor league population report. I did find a PSA 7 on EBAY and ran the cert number and it does register.

I have a few questions if anyone can help. Is this card commonly counterfeited? The design and style look like it would be a more easy card to recreate and I was told that the Cal Ripken card from the same year has that issue.

The other question I have is does anyone have any idea how many have been graded by PSA and if so is this card very condition sensitive?


Thanks for any info you can provide.

Comments

  • AUPTAUPT Posts: 806 ✭✭✭
    Yes, the Oneonta Elway minor league card has been widely counterfeited. I'd recommend buying it only as part of a complete team set or certified bya reputable TPG.
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    I didn't know John Elway wrestled.

    PS Good luck finding your card. Great advice by Bob.
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the input.

    I am looking at this card from a purely speculative viewpoint. I think this has the right make up for a big card.
  • ToroToro Posts: 1,515


    << <i>I think this has the right make up for a big card. >>



    Minor League cards took off in the early nineties, Upper Deck and Fleer along with a handful of smaller companies produced annual releases until the bubble burst/baseball strike. Obviously going back to the early eighties, you're looking at more limited production. It's an obscure card that most football fans aren't aware of. It's got a few things going for it. Good luck with your search. I am proud to say I do have a 1984 Topps Full color proof that I bought for $450 a few years ago. I'm sure it's value has at least doubled.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    It's also been re printed a few times too.


    Good for you.
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Toro I am painfully aware of the 1990 and 1991 boom in minor league cards. I spent every penny I could on those cards looking for Frank Thomas, Jeff Bagwell and Ryan Klesko cards just to name a few.

    When the 1990 Best Frank Thomas hit $25 in the guide I thought I was rich! LOL!


    Steve so by being reprinted are those counterfeit or just more cards in the supply? Can you tell which one's are originally from 1982?

    I am just trying to educate myself better so I don't waste time and money. Thanks for the responses.


  • ToroToro Posts: 1,515
    I thought I was investing in my future with 1992 Upper Deck Minor League. Less were produced than regular Upper Deck baseball. If I only knew they made 20 million cases of it. haha

  • Wolfgang427Wolfgang427 Posts: 412 ✭✭
    I have it in PSA-8 as well as the rest of the team set ungraded. LMK if your interested.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    David

    No a reprint is not a counterfeit, the problem is one has no idea of exactly what is out there.

    It's not like you can go on ebay and see 1000 Larkins. :-)


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks Steve.

    I like cards with lower print runs and this one is something I am going to look into.

    If you can buy a block of them at anytime I have no interest at all.

  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    That, I could not answer.

    Good for you.
  • MinorLeagueSourceMinorLeagueSource Posts: 661 ✭✭
    Contact stbsports.
    They're the best when it comes to team sets.

    Best regards!
    Buying or trading for these signed Jeter rc's:
    1992 GCL, 93 Stadium Club, 93 Greensboro,, 93 South Atlantic League, 93 Topps Marlins & Rockies,, 94 Classic Tampa, 94 Procards Tampa, 94 Florida State League & 95 Columbus Clippers.

  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭


    << <i>Contact stbsports.
    They're the best when it comes to team sets.
    Best regards! >>


    Here you go. Team set from stbsports = $495.00

    or just Elway in a PSA 7 on ebay for $200.00 less
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is not a card I plan to load up on so I am going to be a lot more picky when I buy one of these. I see one on EBAY tonight but I am not wild about that cards appearance.

    In the near term I need to do more research on this card.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    David

    Why the interest in this card? Elway is already in the HOF.

    I don't see this card appreciating wildly.

    Good for you.
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is a play on 1980's Baseball. If it ever comes back the only cards that will be worth anything are rare cards and this would fit that category. There is not a near term catalyst.


    The last 80's baseball card I put a strong buy recommendation on about 8 months ago was the 1984 Dwight Gooden Topps Tiffany. That is a tough card and is going to go much higher in PSA 10 Gem Mint grade.
  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Thanks Steve.

    I like cards with lower print runs and this one is something I am going to look into.

    If you can buy a block of them at anytime I have no interest at all. >>



    I wish I had used that thought process back in 87 when I bought a block of 1800 Bo Jackson 1987 topps cards.
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭✭
    I bought a raw one on eBay about 10 years ago that turned out to be fake before I settled on this:

    image

    Always been one of my favorite cards. Just think it's uber cool.
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a great looking card!! You must be proud to own such a fine example!
  • brendanb438brendanb438 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭
    What do these cards go for, thanks for starting this thread I had no idea Elway was in the Minor Leagues. It is kind of crazy how many athletes there are in football or even basketball who have been selected to a baseball minor league team before going pro in another sport.
  • thenavarrothenavarro Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭
    I've come close to buying this one several times over the last 13 months. The seller and I have been within $50 of each other but so far no go.

    image
    Buying US Presidential autographs
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    Mike ... if you and the seller are within $50.00 of an agreed upon price ... with all you have spent on your graded rookie collection ... the fact the card is signed to FRIGGIN YOU (lol) ... just pull the trigger and tomorrow come back and tell us you bought the damn card already!!!!!
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • thenavarrothenavarro Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Mike ... if you and the seller are within $50.00 of an agreed upon price ... with all you have spent on your graded rookie collection ... the fact the card is signed to FRIGGIN YOU (lol) ... just pull the trigger and tomorrow come back and tell us you bought the damn card already!!!!! >>



    Doug, then I'd be giving in to him and I don't like to lose image

    Mike
    Buying US Presidential autographs
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Not only did he play for them for two seasons he threatened to play baseball over football
    if his rights were not traded. I think he was drafted by the Colts. Steinbrenner promised
    to bring him up at the end of the season too IIRC. The rest is history.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • CooptownCooptown Posts: 397 ✭✭✭
    This has nothing to do with the 1982 Elway, but I thought I would share. My father and I went to the HOF Inductions for many years, with the first year being 1987. On the Saturday night before the Induction, we went to go see the Oneonta Yankees play the Auburn Astros. I bought two game programs. One I had pretty much the entire 1987 team sign, however I seemed to miss one player......Bernie Williams.

    Anyways, during about the 4th inning a group of people came and sat in the box seats next to us. Turns out it was the Steinbrenner family. I really wish I remember this a lot better, as I was only 9 years old at the time. Anyways, I had Mr. Steinbrenner sign my program, which featured a tribute to John Elway on the cover.

    Sorry if this is so off topic.


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  • PowderedH2OPowderedH2O Posts: 2,443 ✭✭
    Not off-topic at all. That's a great story and a great item.
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  • TonyCTonyC Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭
    David,

    I just want to play devil's advocate here on this Elway card for a minute. The thing that troubles me about the future value of this card is that the minor league boat sailed a long time ago, and I can't think of any item in the card industry whose bubble "popped," yet later came back with a vengeance and is now much more valuable than it was when it was sitting on a bubble. My gut tells me that people are never going to "chase" modern minor league issues because they will have a psychological "hang-up," remembering that they crashed and burned once, thus holding themselves back from investing heavily out of the fear that they will crash and burn again.

    You work in finance, so you may have examples in that field of things where the bubble popped but the value came back later. In cards, I can't think of any examples, but if anyone wants to chime in they can. Just to clarify, I am not talking about cards that had little value until many years later (i.e. wrestling cards image ), I am talking about cards that had a huge value, then crashed in price, and still later came back to a high value.
    Collecting Tony Conigliaro
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't have any prime examples to base any future pricing on. There are many stocks that have had huge runs, crash and come back and have an even bigger runs but I am not really aware of cards doing the same.

    I just happened to have a signed Becket Future Stars magazine by Shaq O'neal that was in a drawer near me and just looked at the prices as I am typing this.


    In Dec 1991, the Elway set was $175, Cal Ripken 1981 set was $125, Tony Gwynn 1982 set was $100 and the only one that is lower today was the 1982 Don Mattingly set and it was $295 with down arrows.


    During the 1999 to 2001 graded card boom it is very possible these cards had a significant advance but I am not aware of the pricing they achieved at that point.


    I have zero interest in mass produced baseball cards anymore and have sold a good number of my better cards to use as proceeds to further my wrestling collection. If I am going to add any new cards from the 1980's I want them to have a low print run and have a history of being hard to find.

    There are no major catalysts in the near term that would make any of these cards take off but if you are planning on owning cards for a long period I think a number of these more rarely issued cards are good bets.

    A prime example is the 1977 Rickey Henderson. Now I realize that has a print run that is much lower then any of the above mentioned so it is almost in a class by itself but it clearly shows that if you have a star player and there are very few to choose from the sky is the limit.

    Like I said before I am just doing some homework on this card and I am going to take my time buying one if I do. I am just looking for new things to put money behind and this is something that came to mind.
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭


    << <i>Doug, then I'd be giving in to him and I don't like to lose image Mike >>


    But you already root for teams from Texas, don't you? LMFAO!
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭✭
    I just saw that PSA is no longer grading the Elway minor league card. Quite a bummer. When did they make this decision?
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • TishashereeTishasheree Posts: 85


    << <i>I bought a raw one on eBay about 10 years ago that turned out to be fake before I settled on this:

    image

    Always been one of my favorite cards. Just think it's uber cool. >>




    That card is amazing...now I want one too. John Elway actually attends my church (well, he shows up every couple of months). My 11 year old son is always begging to approach him to sign stuff, but it would be tacky in church, and he leaves pretty quickly after services so no one bugs him.
  • olb31olb31 Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>David

    Why the interest in this card? Elway is already in the HOF.

    I don't see this card appreciating wildly. >>



    Do you feel the same way about Jordan cards? George Brett rookies? Sandberg Opc 1983?
    Work hard and you will succeed!!
  • SteelernationSteelernation Posts: 362 ✭
    Rickey Henderson has a 1977 minor league rookie card? Hmmm. I've never seen it. What's it go for? No need to vcp it, just about how much? Thx
  • Big80sBig80s Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Rickey Henderson has a 1977 minor league rookie card? Hmmm. I've never seen it. What's it go for? No need to vcp it, just about how much? Thx >>



    It's a card with the Modesto A's made by a company called "Chong". VCP doesn't have any info on it unfortunately, as I'd like to have an idea what they have gone for as well.
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    Jeff
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Rickey Henderson has a 1977 minor league rookie card? Hmmm. I've never seen it. What's it go for? No need to vcp it, just about how much? Thx >>



    It's a card with the Modesto A's made by a company called "Chong". VCP doesn't have any info on it unfortunately, as I'd like to have an idea what they have gone for as well. >>




    SMR


    With what rare graded cards have done a high grade example could easily exceed this pricing I believe. This is a very short print card and in most cases off centered. I was under the impression it was in the range of 150 known examples.

  • MinorLeaguerMinorLeaguer Posts: 513 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Rickey Henderson has a 1977 minor league rookie card? Hmmm. I've never seen it. What's it go for? No need to vcp it, just about how much? Thx >>



    Rickey has a 1979 minor league card as well. The 1979 TCMA Ogden A's card. Easier to find and much cheaper than the 1977 Chong that is big bucks as supposedly had a print run of only 400 sets.
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