What are the chances that this would cross??? - New Pics!!!

NumisMe

I have here a very nice 1892 Columbian Expo Half Dollar with lots of luster.

Other than the stain on the obverse and the small nick on the cheek, this is a gorgeous coin. The reverse is absolutley flawless in my opinion, and the photos just don't do it justice.

Beware, very large images!!!

It is currently in an SGS MS66 holder and I would like to know what the odds are that it would cross to PCGS for an MS 65 or 66.

Let me know what you think. I know it's sometimes hard to tell for sure from a photo, but let's try anyway.

Thanks for your help.

Cheers !

coinman23885

I don't think it will cross. The obverse stain, overly dipped look, and what I am perceiving as a rim bruise don't help the cause either.

coinman23885

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AnkurJ

PCGS 64 tops. Is it even worth crossing?

cheezhed

PCGS doesn't cross anything from SGS.

stealer

Looks dipped out (no luster) and the stain is another negative. Not worth crossing, not a 66 either. IMHO

NumisMe

OK,



<< <i>The obverse stain, overly dipped look, and what I am perceiving as a rim bruise don't help the cause either. >>



The stain is strange and I can't, for the life of me, figure out what would cause it, but I have seen it before.
The rim bruise is nothing more than another stain, no relief at all.
What do you mean about the overly dipped look?




<< <i>PCGS doesn't cross anything from SGS. >>



Why not??? What if I cracked it out first? I never heard of them, but I liked the look of the coin, so I bought it. (Buy the coin, not the lable, right?)

Cheers !

airplanenut

That coin will never cross. The coin has been severely over-dipped (unnaturally white), to the extent that the grade should be diminished, if the coin isn't considered damaged.



<< <i>Why not??? What if I cracked it out first? I never heard of them, but I liked the look of the coin, so I bought it. (Buy the coin, not the lable, right?) >>

Yes, and if you like the coin, that is fine. But if you are expecting a gem quality coin, this is not it.

oreville

Will not cross.

Agreed with airplanenut's comments.

JupitarCoins

Wont cross.
ms62

Bochiman

Definitely buy the coin and not the label, but make sure you don't pay for the label, or even close, with many of the "off" holders....

Put me in the camp that I don't think it would cross and, even if it did, not at a higher grade.....best would be lower. But, again, I don't think it would.

NumisMe

Thank you all for your comments. I am trying to learn more about what I need to be looking for and you are helping.

I have taken some more, hopefully better pics that might give you a little better idea of what I am seeing, but they still don't do this coin justice.
Maybe you can see the luster better, now.







Does this change your opinoion at all?

airplanenut

The coin looks better in those new pictures, but the lustre still looks a bit off, and the coin is still unnaturally white. Silver that old should not look like that.

NumisMe

Thanks Jeremy,

I really do appreciate your help and someday I may actually understand this stuff.

But, I have Morgans that are older and are the same color, and some of them are in PCGS MS65 and MS66 holders.

I'm so confused !!!

Cheers !

tightbudget

No way will that ever cross into a 65 or 66 holder. It looks overdipped and in my opinion, would likely come back in a Cleaned or Altered Surfaces Genuine holder. If you're lucky though, you could get it into a 62 or 63 holder if they find it market acceptable.

TomB

I believe what Jeremy was writing about is that this half looks as though the luster is dead, which can happen from an inappropriate dip or being repeatedly or aggressively dipped. The stain looks as though it may be from dip residue, which is a term used for a dipped coin that has not had the dipping solution properly rinsed from its surfaces and such coins can turn spotty, get stained or take on an overal grey or brown look to them. Your images make me think the coin might grade MS62 or so because of the diminished luster. Your point about the Morgan dollars might be something like comparing apples and oranges. Many Morgan dollars were stored in bags for decades and the majority of these coins toned little, if at all. Therefore, they should be rather white or untoned. Also, many thousands of Morgan dollars have been properly dipped a single time or two without terrible affects on the luster. This allows these untoned Morgan dollars to routinely be found in gem holders by PCGS and NGC. The Columbian half dollar in question is not worth the costs associated for a crossover attempt.

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savoyspecial

i see the coin as a 63

NumisMe

Ok, I think I am beginning to understand and I thank you all.

I have had it for years and I really like it, so I guess it is all moot unless I try to sell it. I'm glad I didn't waste any more money trying to get it into a PCGS holder.

Anyway, I need to learn more about dipping and how to tell that a coin has been dipped, before I buy it, etc.

Thanks again for all your help.

Cheers !

Kove

As has been noted above, much of the luster appears to have been stripped from dipping. A little frost remains in the recesses of Columbus' hair, but not much.

I like the reverse. All the ribs in the sails are struck-up well, and unbroken from contact marks.

That coin is likely a PCGS 63, maybe a 64 without the stain. It doesn't pay to crack it out at that level, but you can still enjoy the coin for what it is.

For comparison purposes, below is a PCGS MS 66 CAC coin that Heritage recently sold for over $2000.