Caustic forumites...

Bankerbob56 · January 12, 2012 3:34AM

Why do so many people feel the need to post such caustic remarks to so many topics. If you post AN OPINION about something it invariably elicits heated comments. I value well thought out responses, even ones that are contrary to my position. Heck, some posters here offer very persuasive arguments on some topics. Persuasive enough to change opinions! Those are valuable. To respond with such vitriol simply because you disagree with a premise or a conclusion is immature and destructive to the hobby and the forum.

I am sure this has been a "topic" before, but some responses are just plain nasty.

I would like to think that we can all agree to disagree on occasion without becoming so hateful. Afterall, this great hobby is a sound basis for all of us to "get along."

BTW.... when will the 2012 Silver Eagles land?

LotsoLuck · January 12, 2012 3:42AM

Some people are just unhappy and they feel a need to spread the misery. Ignore those who are and take advantage of all the good things the forum provides.

Barberian · January 12, 2012 3:44AM

There are a lot of angry coin collectors. I don't know if collecting coins contributed to their anger or not.

Unknown · January 12, 2012 3:44AM

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Bochiman · January 12, 2012 3:47AM

I've thought about the same thing, and have likely been guilty of it before as well.
I've put some thought into it and tried to make a conscious decision to think twice before posting, and how I would like it if I were on the other end.
If someone is just being downright wrong/rude, then it is one thing to post and correct them (and, even then, there are ways to do that).

I find myself reading, but skipping posting, on a lot more threads these days because I disagree but don't feel a need to blast someone; or, enough people already have.

To answer your main question though, I think it is 2 things: ego and anonymity (even if not anonymous, the fact that it isn't face to face).

For ego, I have realized that, while there are some categories that I do know more than a bit in, and more than some folks, there are always people that know more than I do. So, I try to learn and not dig my feet in, unwilling to learn. Not everyone does that. People want to be liked/respected/thought of as an expert. Once they feel they are, they take anything that is contrary to what they like/believe as personal and they lash out.

For anonymity, many people are different on the message boards. How often have you heard "this guy is a jerk" but those that have met them say "you should meet him in person. He's pretty cool"? I've heard it. I try to be very similar in person and on the boards. I am blunt in both. I have met Russ and I will say that he is pretty much the same on the boards as in person as well. So is MadMarty. Many others as well. But, you can bet that many are not. They are "safe" from direct and personal confrontation when sitting behind a keyboard.

LotsoLuck · January 12, 2012 3:51AM

You've come a long way Bochi, perhaps your sigline is not longer in order?

Bankerbob56 · January 12, 2012 3:54AM

<< I've thought about the same thing, and have likely been guilty of it before as well.
I've put some thought into it and tried to make a conscious decision to think twice before posting, and how I would like it if I were on the other end.
If someone is just being downright wrong/rude, then it is one thing to post and correct them (and, even then, there are ways to do that).

I find myself reading, but skipping posting, on a lot more threads these days because I disagree but don't feel a need to blast someone; or, enough people already have.

To answer your main question though, I think it is 2 things: ego and anonymity (even if not anonymous, the fact that it isn't face to face).

For ego, I have realized that, while there are some categories that I do know more than a bit in, and more than some folks, there are always people that know more than I do. So, I try to learn and not dig my feet in, unwilling to learn. Not everyone does that. People want to be liked/respected/thought of as an expert. Once they feel they are, they take anything that is contrary to what they like/believe as personal and they lash out.

For anonymity, many people are different on the message boards. How often have you heard "this guy is a jerk" but those that have met them say "you should meet him in person. He's pretty cool"? I've heard it. I try to be very similar in person and on the boards. I am blunt in both. I have met Russ and I will say that he is pretty much the same on the boards as in person as well. So is MadMarty. Many others as well. But, you can bet that many are not. They are "safe" from direct and personal confrontation when sitting behind a keyboard. >>

Excellent Post!

....and a great attitude.

Bochiman · January 12, 2012 3:57AM

<< You've come a long way Bochi, perhaps your sigline is not longer in order?

>>

Thanks, but I still don't have anything on ebay

CaptHenway · January 12, 2012 4:12AM

<< Why do so many people feel the need to post such caustic remarks to so many topics. If you post AN OPINION about something it invariably elicits heated comments. I value well thought out responses, even ones that are contrary to my position. Heck, some posters here offer very persuasive arguments on some topics. Persuasive enough to change opinions! Those are valuable. To respond with such vitriol simply because you disagree with a premise or a conclusion is immature and destructive to the hobby and the forum.

I am sure this has been a "topic" before, but some responses are just plain nasty.

I would like to think that we can all agree to disagree on occasion without becoming so hateful. Afterall, this great hobby is a sound basis for all of us to "get along."

>>

Perhaps caustic original posts tend to beget caustic replies?

TWQG · January 12, 2012 4:14AM

They should be covered in lime.

MidLifeCrisis · January 12, 2012 4:21AM

Guilty as charged...

Bankerbob56 · January 12, 2012 4:32AM

<< 

<< Why do so many people feel the need to post such caustic remarks to so many topics. If you post AN OPINION about something it invariably elicits heated comments. I value well thought out responses, even ones that are contrary to my position. Heck, some posters here offer very persuasive arguments on some topics. Persuasive enough to change opinions! Those are valuable. To respond with such vitriol simply because you disagree with a premise or a conclusion is immature and destructive to the hobby and the forum.

I am sure this has been a "topic" before, but some responses are just plain nasty.

I would like to think that we can all agree to disagree on occasion without becoming so hateful. Afterall, this great hobby is a sound basis for all of us to "get along."

>>

Perhaps caustic original posts tend to beget caustic replies? >>

I cannot argue that! BUT, An unpopular conclusion/opinion is not by definition caustic. People have strong opinions, and you can have a civil discourse. Once the varied points are made that is when we should simply agree to disagree. Too often it gets into personal attacks.... I don't mind posters taking strong positions and then putting forth good arguments in support, but when people go off topic and begin chastising an OP just because they disagree with an opinion, the luster of this forum begins to fade.

MrEureka · January 12, 2012 5:10AM

BankerBob - Your post is OT. Stick to numismatic topics and take this social behavior nonsense elsewhere, please.

Bankerbob56 · January 12, 2012 5:12AM

<< BankerBob - Your post is OT. Stick to numismatic topics and take this social behavior nonsense elsewhere, please.

>>

You Are Absolutely Correct!!! It was not coin related!

Point well taken.

RYK · January 12, 2012 5:15AM

I think another caustic and annoying behavior is arguing with every poster on your thread. Usually, if you have to resort to that tactic, your side of the argument is very obviously wrong.

hchcoin · January 12, 2012 5:15AM

<< BankerBob - Your post is OT. Stick to numismatic topics and take this social behavior nonsense elsewhere, please.

>>

shorecoll · January 12, 2012 5:20AM

Bob you ignorant sl#$ (slab)!

For people who don't know this reference, you are too young, please go away!!!

WTCG · January 12, 2012 5:35AM

<< I've thought about the same thing, and have likely been guilty of it before as well.
I've put some thought into it and tried to make a conscious decision to think twice before posting, and how I would like it if I were on the other end.
If someone is just being downright wrong/rude, then it is one thing to post and correct them (and, even then, there are ways to do that).

I find myself reading, but skipping posting, on a lot more threads these days because I disagree but don't feel a need to blast someone; or, enough people already have.

To answer your main question though, I think it is 2 things: ego and anonymity (even if not anonymous, the fact that it isn't face to face).

For ego, I have realized that, while there are some categories that I do know more than a bit in, and more than some folks, there are always people that know more than I do. So, I try to learn and not dig my feet in, unwilling to learn. Not everyone does that. People want to be liked/respected/thought of as an expert. Once they feel they are, they take anything that is contrary to what they like/believe as personal and they lash out.

For anonymity, many people are different on the message boards. How often have you heard "this guy is a jerk" but those that have met them say "you should meet him in person. He's pretty cool"? I've heard it. I try to be very similar in person and on the boards. I am blunt in both. I have met Russ and I will say that he is pretty much the same on the boards as in person as well. So is MadMarty. Many others as well. But, you can bet that many are not. They are "safe" from direct and personal confrontation when sitting behind a keyboard. >>

Well stated. Introverted personalities seasoned with bad social skills, no girlfriend, self-proclaimed mental superiority plus anonyminity behind a computer is not a combination that produces pleasantness.

rhedden · January 12, 2012 5:44AM

Unfortunately, some coin colelctors are vehemently anti-social, and often carry a massive insecurity complex of some form. This type of person shuns human contact in all forms, and fills many internal emotional voids by acquiring expensive coins. Due to low self esteem, their house is usually a garbage dump, they may have decrepit personal hygiene, and they post rude/insulting messages on internet coin boards because they really have no desire to make a friend-even over the internet.

That being said, less than 5% of collectors fall into this distasteful category- THANKFULLY.

Leonidas · January 12, 2012 5:51AM

>>

Well stated. Introverted personalities seasoned with bad social skills, facination in asian's, overweight, no girlfriend, bad teeth, masterbater, cop attitude, self-proclaimed mental superiority plus anonyminity behind a computer is not a combination that produces pleasantness. >>

FIFY

shorecoll · January 12, 2012 5:53AM

I was starting to think rhedden was stalking me!

Bankerbob56 · January 12, 2012 5:54AM

<< >>

Well stated. Introverted personalities seasoned with bad social skills, facination in asian's, overweight, no girlfriend, bad teeth, masterbater, cop attitude, self-proclaimed mental superiority plus anonyminity behind a computer is not a combination that produces pleasantness. >>

FIFY >>

FIFY
?????????

bsshog40 · January 12, 2012 6:09AM

I think maybe someone just wakes up on the wrong side of the bed sometimes. I know I do and if I ever seem to be rude to anyone it is definately not intentional. Sometimes enlightening a person to rude remarks does help as words on a screen can sometimes be taken the wrong way without knowing the actual expression or feeling behind the words. Just a thought!

tahoe98 · January 12, 2012 7:00AM

<< They should be covered in lime. >>

...

SanctionII · January 12, 2012 7:07AM

"_____" you ignorant sl_t." sure brings back memories.

How many hear on the forums are familiar with this saying and know its origin?

I bet quite a few forum members are familiar with it and quite a few have no clue.

CaptHenway · January 12, 2012 7:10AM

familiar

JamesMurray · January 12, 2012 7:13AM

Sounds like something from a Monty Python skit

JRocco · January 12, 2012 7:16AM

<< "_____" you ignorant sl_t." sure brings back memories.

How many hear on the forums are familiar with this saying and know its origin?

I bet quite a few forum members are familiar with it and quite a few have no clue. >>

Is that you Jane ?

57loaded · January 12, 2012 7:20AM

<< 

<< >>

Well stated. Introverted personalities seasoned with bad social skills, facination in asian's, overweight, no girlfriend, bad teeth, masterbater, cop attitude, self-proclaimed mental superiority plus anonyminity behind a computer is not a combination that produces pleasantness. >>

FIFY >>

FIFY
????????? >>

Leonidas modified the prior post to the above

FIFY means "fixed it for you"

DennisH · January 12, 2012 7:27AM

There are fewer of them around than there used to be. Occasional purges are made to remind folks that rules not only exist, but are also enforced. Even so, some people seem to be destined to forget.

Gemineye · January 12, 2012 7:43AM

<< Unfortunately, some coin colelctors are vehemently anti-social, and often carry a massive insecurity complex of some form. This type of person shuns human contact in all forms, and fills many internal emotional voids by acquiring expensive coins. Due to low self esteem, their house is usually a garbage dump, they may have decrepit personal hygiene, and they post rude/insulting messages on internet coin boards because they really have no desire to make a friend-even over the internet.

That being said, less than 5% of collectors fall into this distasteful category- THANKFULLY. >>

I have nothing to add to this thread...I just hope it just fades away.....

TwoSides2aCoin · January 12, 2012 7:45AM

Russ made me mad, once. It took me like 3 hours to quit pouting.

braddick · January 12, 2012 7:51AM

SamByrd · January 12, 2012 7:56AM

<< BankerBob - Your post is OT. Stick to numismatic topics and take this social behavior nonsense elsewhere, please.

>>

agreed

SamByrd · January 12, 2012 7:56AM

<< I think another caustic and annoying behavior is arguing with every poster on your thread. Usually, if you have to resort to that tactic, your side of the argument is very obviously wrong. >>

100%

notwilight · January 12, 2012 8:30AM

Aren't you the guy who started the caustic thread about the local B&M? I thought my reply was very civil. --Jerry

MacCrimmon · January 12, 2012 8:45AM

<< 

<< I've thought about the same thing, and have likely been guilty of it before as well.
I've put some thought into it and tried to make a conscious decision to think twice before posting, and how I would like it if I were on the other end.
If someone is just being downright wrong/rude, then it is one thing to post and correct them (and, even then, there are ways to do that).

I find myself reading, but skipping posting, on a lot more threads these days because I disagree but don't feel a need to blast someone; or, enough people already have.

To answer your main question though, I think it is 2 things: ego and anonymity (even if not anonymous, the fact that it isn't face to face).

For ego, I have realized that, while there are some categories that I do know more than a bit in, and more than some folks, there are always people that know more than I do. So, I try to learn and not dig my feet in, unwilling to learn. Not everyone does that. People want to be liked/respected/thought of as an expert. Once they feel they are, they take anything that is contrary to what they like/believe as personal and they lash out.

For anonymity, many people are different on the message boards. How often have you heard "this guy is a jerk" but those that have met them say "you should meet him in person. He's pretty cool"? I've heard it. I try to be very similar in person and on the boards. I am blunt in both. I have met Russ and I will say that he is pretty much the same on the boards as in person as well. So is MadMarty. Many others as well. But, you can bet that many are not. They are "safe" from direct and personal confrontation when sitting behind a keyboard. >>

Well stated. Introverted personalities seasoned with bad social skills, no girlfriend, self-proclaimed mental superiority plus anonyminity behind a computer is not a combination that produces pleasantness. >>

Hey, sounds like a good subject for a 'Hot Topic'.

CalGold · January 12, 2012 9:18AM

I wonder if they are referring to me? Lets see now-

<< Introverted personalities >>

Well I only have one personality, so far as I can tell, and its not that I am introverted its just that I don’t want to talk to anyone.

<< seasoned with bad social skills >>

Not a problem. Whenever we are in polite company my wife reminds me to keep quiet.

<< facination in asian's >>

Well I do like their food.

<< overweight >>

. At least I’m not a fat slob.

<< no girlfriend >>

My wife won’t let me have one. Is that a sufficient excuse?

<< bad teeth >>

Only a few of them are crooked.

<< masterbater >>

Only when the gal across the street leaves her curtains open.

<< cop attitude >>

No, the give people speeding tickets and hassle you when you are trying to wait for friends and relatives at the airport.

<< self-proclaimed mental superiority >>

No, but lets face it, there are an awful lot of stupid people out there.

<< plus anonyminity behind a computer >>

See the first point above.

<< is not a combination that produces pleasantness >>

I thought it was just that I am not a particularly optimistic person.

CG

coinkat · January 12, 2012 9:20AM

SNL-

kaz · January 12, 2012 9:21AM

I once knocked over a container of caustic forumites in chem lab... they had to evacuate the building!

LotsoLuck · January 12, 2012 9:22AM

<<<Not a problem. Whenever we are in polite company my wife reminds me to keep quiet>>>

roadrunner · January 12, 2012 9:24AM

If you lived through the old open forum days (now gone and locked up forever) then what goes on here today is a like a knitting class for seniors.

WoodenJefferson · January 12, 2012 9:53AM

Well, they obviously missed the "rapture" when it came and went.

Leonidas · January 12, 2012 9:58AM

<< masterbater >>

Only when the gal across the street leaves her curtains open. >>>

DRUNNER · January 12, 2012 10:04AM

Aw . . . heck. Bob, I was all set to post a supportive and agreeable reply, and then I had to go down the post and see all the SNL references. So sorry, you have a great point, but all I can think of now is Dan Akroyd . . . . .

My apologies, and I know your thread is a great learning experisnce for many.

Oh, and coins rule. Just keeping this post coin related. (But the Land Shark ruled too.)

Drunner

melvin289 · January 12, 2012 12:34PM

<< If you lived through the old open forum days (now gone and locked up forever) then what goes on here today is a like a knitting class for seniors.

>>

How could you do this to me? Just the mention of the OF makes me want to slap someone.

Ron

Greeniejr · January 12, 2012 1:01PM

<< 

<< I've thought about the same thing, and have likely been guilty of it before as well.
I've put some thought into it and tried to make a conscious decision to think twice before posting, and how I would like it if I were on the other end.
If someone is just being downright wrong/rude, then it is one thing to post and correct them (and, even then, there are ways to do that).

I find myself reading, but skipping posting, on a lot more threads these days because I disagree but don't feel a need to blast someone; or, enough people already have.

To answer your main question though, I think it is 2 things: ego and anonymity (even if not anonymous, the fact that it isn't face to face).

For ego, I have realized that, while there are some categories that I do know more than a bit in, and more than some folks, there are always people that know more than I do. So, I try to learn and not dig my feet in, unwilling to learn. Not everyone does that. People want to be liked/respected/thought of as an expert. Once they feel they are, they take anything that is contrary to what they like/believe as personal and they lash out.

For anonymity, many people are different on the message boards. How often have you heard "this guy is a jerk" but those that have met them say "you should meet him in person. He's pretty cool"? I've heard it. I try to be very similar in person and on the boards. I am blunt in both. I have met Russ and I will say that he is pretty much the same on the boards as in person as well. So is MadMarty. Many others as well. But, you can bet that many are not. They are "safe" from direct and personal confrontation when sitting behind a keyboard. >>

Well stated. Introverted personalities seasoned with bad social skills, no girlfriend, self-proclaimed mental superiority plus anonyminity behind a computer is not a combination that produces pleasantness. >>

For once I agree with you 100%. If every person had to use their real names on here I bet half the stupid, obnoxious, ignorant and inflammatory comments would be eliminated. People feel safe behind a keyboard and will say things they wouldn't have the insides to say in person. I take the opposite approach, I actually restrain myself as to what I put into writing. Come talk to me at a show or the shop and I will tell you what I really think

Also hats off to everyone who does not hide behind their handle.

BillyKingsley · January 12, 2012 3:50PM

One you have as many people in one place as we have here on the board...there are bound to be personalitys that clash, and there are bound to be just plain old jerks, too.

I try to keep it civil, and not "get into it" with people- I save that for the NASCAR boards, apparently- but sometimes I can be baited to say something that if I let myself "cool off" I probably wouldn't have. It's not always easy to turn the other cheek.

Also, when I am in a lot of pain, sometimes my temper can be short...shorter than normal, shorter than it should be, but still pretty tame compared to some. I'm generally an easy-going, if somewhat uptight/highstrung, kind of person.

Swampboy · January 12, 2012 3:57PM

It took me four hours to read this thread today.

I got stuck watching braddick's new sigline image for 3 hours and forty-seven minutes.

pennyannie · January 12, 2012 4:30PM

If i spend the time to read a thread i generally take the time to add my 2 cents worth . Some people just like to be caustic and reply with snotty replies when they spend the time to read threads of this nature. This place is pretty tame IMO compared to other sites out there. Coin collectors span all ages and differnt degrees of education and geograhic locations, therfore you get varied opinions and ways to state it. You have guys on here that have spent 25 cents to 1 million plus on coins. I did not grow up in the watered down political correct age and i have not adapted yet. There is no excuse for name calling, but some people here do not respond well to the ebay police enforcers and those that take the time to preach to others about threads of this nature. I personally never post pics of my coins asking for opinions cause i might not respond well to someone saying my 2500 dollar coin is a piece of poo form a poster that may or may not own a coin, or ever spent more than 50 cents on one. . It does not take a lot of effort to get booted from this site.

Leonidas · January 12, 2012 4:34PM

You just have to be in the "Clique"

I'm sure 80% of you know what im talking about.

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