1987 Fleer Barry Larkin Vs. Barry Bonds
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I just checked the population reports on the 1987 Fleer standard issue and the glossy and found some pretty staggering statistics.
There have been 24,205 Barry Bonds cards submitted and 945 Barry Larkin's of the standard 1987 Fleer set.
The glossy stats are as follows. The Barry Bonds has been submitted 6,538 times and the Barry Larkin 340 times.
There are plenty of nice ungraded PSA 10's floating around for sure. This card has no where to go but down within three to five days.
There have been 24,205 Barry Bonds cards submitted and 945 Barry Larkin's of the standard 1987 Fleer set.
The glossy stats are as follows. The Barry Bonds has been submitted 6,538 times and the Barry Larkin 340 times.
There are plenty of nice ungraded PSA 10's floating around for sure. This card has no where to go but down within three to five days.
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When there are 30,000 copies graded of a card and a big percentage are mint or higher it really has no long term value.
I really like Barry Larkin and as I said in another thread I had the pleasure of dealing with him when I was a bank teller and he is a class act.
I agree its fun to watch this type of hype in the card market.
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Pull an OJ Simpson and/or die
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If this was a stock I would short the crap out of this card.
I tried checking last night to see how mine looked but they are in a box that would take a little work to get to.
I am very aware of the large graded populations but keep in mind they produced a ton of all of the cards in the sets so as prices go up, people race to get cards graded and then SELL!!!!
I just checked your registry set and see you added a PSA 9 Larkin. In a few weeks or months add a PSA 10.
The one thing I have always thought was the 87 Fleer was one of the best looking card sets ever produced in the 80's or perhaps ever. The pictures were great, the color scheme was very nice and when you opened a pack back then you new you were buying a premium product. If my memory serves me I think they were at least 50% more expensive then Topps at the time and perhaps more. I really had to save up to pull the trigger on the Fleer packs then.
<< <i>Thoseblackpages,
I just checked your registry set and see you added a PSA 9 Larkin. In a few weeks or months add a PSA 10.
The one thing I have always thought was the 87 Fleer was one of the best looking card sets ever produced in the 80's or perhaps ever. The pictures were great, the color scheme was very nice and when you opened a pack back then you new you were buying a premium product. If my memory serves me I think they were at least 50% more expensive then Topps at the time and perhaps more. I really had to save up to pull the trigger on the Fleer packs then. >>
if you can find me a PSA 10 for $5/dlvd (thats what i paid for my PSA 9 back in 2005) then please point me to where, and i will gladly upgrade
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<< <i>Thoseblackpages,
I just checked your registry set and see you added a PSA 9 Larkin. In a few weeks or months add a PSA 10.
The one thing I have always thought was the 87 Fleer was one of the best looking card sets ever produced in the 80's or perhaps ever. The pictures were great, the color scheme was very nice and when you opened a pack back then you new you were buying a premium product. If my memory serves me I think they were at least 50% more expensive then Topps at the time and perhaps more. I really had to save up to pull the trigger on the Fleer packs then. >>
If the Larkins are anything like the other HOF'ers you will have to wait a lot longer for the prices on high end graded RC's to drop as you keep suggesting. They will come back down, although at much higher prices then before, but look for closer to a year, not weeks as you keep suggesting. If the football side is a good reference, it might take a couple years.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
I am putting together a sub right now and looked through the rest of my baseball cards and found a sharp Barry Larkin.
When his rookie popped when he was elected to the hall of fame I thought it would be short lived and decided to check the prices tonight before I send in the card.
Here is an example that sold for $43.
Finding a brand new Larkin or Bonds rookie card is like finding hay in a haystack.......
Raw it is worth a few bucks at most. If I spend $6 and get it graded and it comes back a PSA 9 I essentially gain nothing. If it comes back a 10 I can make a few bucks.
Just gambling here.
Here is the original Barry Larkin thread.
Barry Larkin
I was surprised his 1987 Fleer PSA 10 was going for north of $135 right after the hall of fame announcement and just decided to run the numbers on the population report.
1987 Topps Tiffany 946 subs / 155 PSA 10 (16.4%)
1987 Topps 952 subs / 247 PSA 10 (26%)
1987 Toys 'R' Us Rookies 80 subs / 14 PSA 10 (17.5%)
1987 Kahn's Reds 3 subs / 0 PSA 10's (0%)
1987 Fleer Glossy 419 subs / 48 PSA 10 (11.5%)
1987 Fleer 1,196 subs / 155 PSA 10 (13%)
1987 Donruss Opening Day 171 subs / 88 PSA 10 (50%)
1987 Donruss 1520 subs / 421 PSA 10 (28%)
1987 Classic Travel (Yellow Back) 40 subs / 24 PSA 10 (60%)
1987 Classic Travel (Green Back) 15 subs/ 5 PSA 10 (33.3%)
1987 Classic MLB Game 26 subs / 1 PSA 10 (4%)
Of the major cards, the Fleer Glossy is the toughest submission at 11.5 percent returns at the PSA 10 level.
Barry Bonds
1987 Classic Travel (Yellow Back) 569 subs / 110 PSA 10 (19%)
1987 Classic Travel (Green Back) 252 subs / 6 PSA 10 (2%)
1987 Donruss 22,556 subs / 986 PSA 10 (4%)
1987 Donruss Opening Day (corrected) 2,354 subs / 129 PSA 10 (5%)
1987 Donruss Opening Day (Johnny Ray error) 98 subs / 7 PSA 10 (7%)
1987 Fleer 24,381 subs / 923 PSA 10 (4%)
1987 Fleer Glossy 6,641 subs / 394 PSA 10 (6%)
1987 Fleer Hottest Stars 1,057 subs / 87 PSA 10 (8%)
1987 Leaf 1,061 subs / 34 PSA 10 (3%)
1987 O-Pee-Chee 158 subs / 7 PSA 10 (4%)
1987 Topps 11,356 subs / 912 PSA 10 (8%)
1987 Topps All Star Glossy 18,830 subs / 5,379 PSA 10 (29%)
1987 Topps Tiffany 2,626 subs / 112 PSA 10 (4%)
1987 Toys R Us Rookies 1,908 subs / 283 PSA 10 (15%)
1987 O-Pee-Chee Stickers 20 subs / 4 PSA 10 (20%)
1987 Topps Stickers 109 subs / 19 PSA 10 (17%)
Clearly Bonds was more popular and touted than Larkin was in 1987, thus the inclusion of more sets. But also far more submissions. Not sure if the comparison even makes sense outside of the fact that Larkin was inducted before Bonds. I am curious how many Larkin's were submitted prior to his induction.
Comparatively:
1987 Donruss 93% more Bonds submissions than Larkin
1987 Fleer 95% ....
1987 Fleer Glossy 94% ...
1987 Topps 92% ...
1987 Topps Tiffany 64% ...
Not sure if I did my math correctly on the last part. But thats the numbers I am getting. But the overall outlook is that Bonds gets a tougher grade than Larkin.
A better comparison might be Maddux vs Bonds.
If you read the other thread I linked to this one I was of the mindset that there were tons of mint to gem mint examples laying around that no one even thought to grade and with the shear size of the prior submissions of Barry Bonds that the Barry Larkin in high grade would never hold its prices as a slew of new cards would be sent in.
Since I started the thread the card has dropped over 50% and if you use a few recent prices it is closer to 70%.
<< <i>Since I started the thread the card has dropped over 50% and if you use a few recent prices it is closer to 70%. >>
You also started that thread right around the point of his induction, which produced a momentary spike in the card's value.
I paid $21.53/dlvd for my Larkin in 2007, so technically, it's gone up since then.
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Someone's gain is many times someone's loss and if the big boys raced out and bought right away like you were suggesting would occur then now they are sitting on a 70% loss.
I doubt they will lose sleep over it but the basis of my comments were why lose money when you don't have to and once the pop fizzled you would be able to get the card for much less.
Congratulations on your purchase. Anytime you buy a card and it appreciates is a good thing.
<< <i>I doubt they will lose sleep over it but the basis of my comments were why lose money when you don't have to and once the pop fizzled you would be able to get the card for much less. >>
Seeing the prices paid by some of the "big-dogs", I don't think that preservation of value is on their mind. When two or more of them show up on an Ebay auction, we see some stupid numbers get reached.
Normal collectors who don't wipe with $100s are wise to let the Big Dogs eat first.
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<< <i>I picked up an 87 Topps PSA 10 late last year from 4SC for $35. They still show they have 10 left (I think they had over 30 of them!). Given its a PSA 10, I was not really happy with the quality of it overall. There is a corner that bugs me and its hard to tell from the wood grain background. I'll scan to get some opinions. >>
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<< <i>I picked up an 87 Topps PSA 10 late last year from 4SC for $35. They still show they have 10 left (I think they had over 30 of them!). Given its a PSA 10, I was not really happy with the quality of it overall. There is a corner that bugs me and its hard to tell from the wood grain background. I'll scan to get some opinions. >>
Be Careful!! CU has banned several members within the last 7 days for making similar comments about 4SC. >>
Oh. I didn't think I was insinuating anything. But I will leave it at that.
For what its worth I have bought a bunch of 4SC PSA 10's afterwards of different cards and been fine with it.