Bagged for Questionable Color... worth resubmitting? (1836 H10c)
rhedden
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I am putting together a submission, and this beautiful piece is one that has bugged me since PCGS body-bagged it in 2005. I am wondering if it is worth re-submitting. It was part of a collection that was stored since the 1940s in an old, brown National Coin Album, and I can vouch for the fact that none of the coins were taken out of the bank vault or messed with since about 1961. At worst, it was dipped prior to 1961 and retoned naturally in the album. There were many wildly toned coins in the album, and save for this one, all graded MS63 to MS66 or PR63 or PR66 at PCGS. None of the others were bagged for questionable color (and some were quite wild, indeed). This one was singled out as "questionable color" for some reason unknown to me, which is unfortunate, as I see nothing wrong with the coin.
The coin is MS62, maybe MS63 as far as grade goes, so we are not talking about something that is going to be graded MS68 and fetch $100k if graded. The previous owner (a good friend of mine) bought it in 1986 as a raw MS65+++ from the original collector who assembled the set in the 40s, and he was not happy that I only paid him $500 for it after it bagged at PCGS, as I'm fairly certain it is nowhere near MS65. What else could I do with a raw toner that didn't slab, though? By the way, it's the 1836 "3 over inverted 3" variety.
I am considering submitting it again, but I feel that without its wildly colored brethren accompanying it, it's got even less of a chance of slabbing. Would including a note about the coin's history do any good? Should I just give up and send it to NGC?
The coin is MS62, maybe MS63 as far as grade goes, so we are not talking about something that is going to be graded MS68 and fetch $100k if graded. The previous owner (a good friend of mine) bought it in 1986 as a raw MS65+++ from the original collector who assembled the set in the 40s, and he was not happy that I only paid him $500 for it after it bagged at PCGS, as I'm fairly certain it is nowhere near MS65. What else could I do with a raw toner that didn't slab, though? By the way, it's the 1836 "3 over inverted 3" variety.
I am considering submitting it again, but I feel that without its wildly colored brethren accompanying it, it's got even less of a chance of slabbing. Would including a note about the coin's history do any good? Should I just give up and send it to NGC?
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It's been 6+ years since your last attempt!
Questionable doesn't translate to sure thing....
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I agree it's likely retoned since a very old cleaning, but there should be no harm in that.
Submit it using the PCGS Secure Plus service
After the coin is sniffed and passes, the odds of getting a QC designation drops significantly
(by the way, the coin looks NT to my eye)
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I'm less worried about the wild color than the hairlines and scrubbed look in the centers. I think it's NT as well.
<< <i>It's got that once cleaned and album retoned look to it. But it could grade. My own gut feel is that it will continue to BB.
I'm less worried about the wild color than the hairlines and scrubbed look in the centers. I think it's NT as well. >>
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Submit it using the PCGS Secure Plus service
After the coin is sniffed and passes, the odds of getting a QC designation drops significantly
(by the way, the coin looks NT to my eye) >>
I've recently come to the same conclusion as above. I was going to recommend the same.
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<< <i>Here is a tip ...
Submit it using the PCGS Secure Plus service
After the coin is sniffed and passes, the odds of getting a QC designation drops significantly
(by the way, the coin looks NT to my eye) >>
I like this idea but I have no experience with it. The coin looks lightly cleaned, and so nicely toned that I can see how it would raise suspicion. However, if it is NT, even with a wipe, 62 certainly looks like a reasonable grade.
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<< <i>It's got that once cleaned and album retoned look to it. But it could grade. My own gut feel is that it will continue to BB.
I'm less worried about the wild color than the hairlines and scrubbed look in the centers. I think it's NT as well. >>
+1. I like the color just fine and have no doubt whatsoever it's NT... but it was previously cleaned.
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<< <i>Here is a tip ...
Submit it using the PCGS Secure Plus service
After the coin is sniffed and passes, the odds of getting a QC designation drops significantly
(by the way, the coin looks NT to my eye) >>
I've recently come to the same conclusion as above. I was going to recommend the same. >>
I like it.
<< <i>I think it was dipped at some point, but it doesn't have any hairlines from cleaning. It's no worse than several obviously dipped coins PCGS graded from the same collection, so I would be disappointed if they called it "cleaned." For example, they graded the proof Seated quarter shown below. The color of the half dime really is stunning in person- much more so that you'd guess from the pictures- and that's what got it bagged.
Isn't that amazing? Looks like quite a bit of rub on the thigh, that obverse is a mess.
<< <i>It's got that once cleaned and album retoned look to it. But it could grade. My own gut feel is that it will continue to BB.
I'm less worried about the wild color than the hairlines and scrubbed look in the centers. I think it's NT as well. >>
My initial thought too.
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NO reason it should not slab (try the higher tier service)
<< <i>Submit! >>
Eric
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<< <i>It's got that once cleaned and album retoned look to it. But it could grade. My own gut feel is that it will continue to BB.
I'm less worried about the wild color than the hairlines and scrubbed look in the centers. I think it's NT as well. >>
Good luck !!!
If coins submitted were scanned for longer than we knew for individual characteristics or whatever was said to make doctoring successes truly tough, and if the sniffer has a memory too, then this 10C would be recognized instantly as "previously graded at XXXX", "previously colored XYZ", "previously scanned", "previously sniffed" etc? So, assuming no other changes, what is the point of resumbitting? There is enough variance in grading results, even in groups with a final grader on top, to warrant resubmitting; enough variation that it might come back "good" or "better" or with the "highest grade"?
Eric